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I was being very charitable - it seems you are asserting knowledge of Dr. King's canon of work based on your memory of a very meme-ified quote. I also requeste

I was being very charitable - it seems you are asserting knowledge of Dr. King's canon of work based on your memory of a very meme-ified quote. I also requested information about how the US used to treat racial equity better in the past; do you have any such evidence? > Explain to me how making everything equitable and inclusive for specific class oppressed poc isn't basing things on skin color vs. merit? This is a logical test, not one that needs sources. The quote you reference mentions character. The issues at hand are whether hiring ignores qualified candidates based on their skin color. I understand that you wish for a colorblind world but this is not the world we live in. I suspect that it is easy for you to forego a 'patch' in our current situation because the problems at play do not affect you. To rephrase, because you're not running an affected version of a problematic script, nobody should be allowed to install a hotpatch. Better to wait for the perfect v1.0 to be released. > Here's another test for you - explain how you make everyone equitable without lowering the higher achievers in society down to the average? Do you think it's possible to make under-achievers the same intelligence, physical capability as higher-achieving people? This is the perennial boogeyman and strawman. I think the reason it comes up is to make those who have enjoyed unappreciated benefits feel that their experience relates solely to their ability. One of the best pitchers in baseball history never had a chance to play in his prime. Why? Because of an accident of his genetics. With the arguments you set up, I surmise that you would argue that expending any effort to finding such good, but unappreciated, players necessarily debases all players; let's leave the greats in the dust to ensure that the sons of the wealthy get to play the game. I would say that it is a disservice to humanity not to explore every option to uncover wasted talent. We will disagree on this, but I encounter brilliant people whose life stories hinge on just one lucky break regularly. When I am confronted by the mammoth systemic inequalities the United States has imposed against some of its daughters and sons for hundreds of years, I am motivated to spend an extra moment to find qualified candidates in unappreciated venues. Finally - your argument presupposes that every job search finds the best candidate. This may be a surprise to you, but as someone who hires, the candidate I end up with is as much defined by the vagaries of chance as by the candidate's ability. This is not controversial to any one who hires and is indeed a confound that we all must consider. One key factor in someone getting their foot in the door is knowing someone who can contact me. Is this fair? Do I lower the average quality of all candidates if I use this very common source of referrals?

DrThunder 4y ago
"Dr. King's canon of work based on your memory of a very meme-ified quote" It's part of his most famous speech which follows the same line of thinking throughout... nice try with the gaslighting though. "One of the best pitchers in baseball history never had a chance to play in his prime. Why? Because of an accident of his genetics." Absolutely not, he missed out on playing because people back then decided to base hiring off of skin color (white skin) instead of basing it off of merit (pitching skill). The irony here is that you're trying to bring us back to that same exact pre civil rights era mindset. Somehow your cognitive dissonance has twisted your racism into being a good thing and justified it.
- ejstronge 4y ago
  > It's part of his most famous speech which follows the same line of thinking throughout... nice try with the gaslighting though. You're still side-stepping my line of questioning. This is like reading a module name and assuming you understand the code. > Absolutely not, he missed out on playing because people back then decided to base hiring off of skin color (white skin) instead of basing it off of merit (pitching skill). This is just you trying to contort my argument to fit your perspective. I wish you luck learning anything that doesn't match your opinions.
  - ejstronge 4y ago
    Just for your reference, here is another Martin Luther King quote. I encourage you to read more of an author's work before quoting in the future: From Why We Can't Wait : "Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic." --- Some more to help bolster your MLK canon: *In 1965 the writer Alex Haley interviewed King for an interview that ran in Playboy Magazine. Haley asks him about an employment program to help "20,000,000 Negroes." After expressing his approval for it, King estimates that such a program would cost $50 billion. Haley then asks: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multibillion-dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or for any other minority group?" King: "I do indeed. Can any fair-minded citizen deny that the Negro has been deprived? Few people reflect that for two centuries the Negro was enslaved, and robbed of any wages--potential accrued wealth which would have been the legacy of his descendants. All of America's wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation. It is an economic fact that a program such as I propose would certainly cost far less than any computation of two centuries of unpaid wages plus accumulated interest. In any case, I do not intend that this program of economic aid should apply only to the Negro; it should benefit the disadvantaged of all races."*

DrThunder 4y ago

"Dr. King's canon of work based on your memory of a very meme-ified quote" It's part of his most famous speech which follows the same line of thinking throughout... nice try with the gaslighting though. "One of the best pitchers in baseball history never had a chance to play in his prime. Why? Because of an accident of his genetics." Absolutely not, he missed out on playing because people back then decided to base hiring off of skin color (white skin) instead of basing it off of merit (pitching skill). The irony here is that you're trying to bring us back to that same exact pre civil rights era mindset. Somehow your cognitive dissonance has twisted your racism into being a good thing and justified it.

ejstronge 4y ago
> It's part of his most famous speech which follows the same line of thinking throughout... nice try with the gaslighting though. You're still side-stepping my line of questioning. This is like reading a module name and assuming you understand the code. > Absolutely not, he missed out on playing because people back then decided to base hiring off of skin color (white skin) instead of basing it off of merit (pitching skill). This is just you trying to contort my argument to fit your perspective. I wish you luck learning anything that doesn't match your opinions.
- ejstronge 4y ago
  Just for your reference, here is another Martin Luther King quote. I encourage you to read more of an author's work before quoting in the future: From Why We Can't Wait : "Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic." --- Some more to help bolster your MLK canon: *In 1965 the writer Alex Haley interviewed King for an interview that ran in Playboy Magazine. Haley asks him about an employment program to help "20,000,000 Negroes." After expressing his approval for it, King estimates that such a program would cost $50 billion. Haley then asks: "Do you feel it's fair to request a multibillion-dollar program of preferential treatment for the Negro, or for any other minority group?" King: "I do indeed. Can any fair-minded citizen deny that the Negro has been deprived? Few people reflect that for two centuries the Negro was enslaved, and robbed of any wages--potential accrued wealth which would have been the legacy of his descendants. All of America's wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation. It is an economic fact that a program such as I propose would certainly cost far less than any computation of two centuries of unpaid wages plus accumulated interest. In any case, I do not intend that this program of economic aid should apply only to the Negro; it should benefit the disadvantaged of all races."*