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> MS cannot deliver successful stuff on the web at scale. It's this type of confidence that you come back to HN over and over for. Let's ignore Azure, Office

by ctvo 4y ago

> MS cannot deliver successful stuff on the web at scale. It's this type of confidence that you come back to HN over and over for. Let's ignore Azure, Office 365, and Microsoft's other online properties. In just video games: Microsoft owns and operates the Xbox network with over 100 million active monthly users[1]. That runs on the internet with all the features of a social network and more. I think they can deliver successful stuff at web scale OK, whatever their other shortcomings. 1 - https://hothardware.com/news/xbox-live-surpasses-100-million-active-monthly-users-gamepass https://hothardware.com/news/xbox-live-surpasses-100-million...

paganel 4y ago
> Azure, Office 365 I explicitly mentioned the web, Office365 is not a successful web story. It is a successful enterprise story (afaik it is still wildly profitable for MS the company), but it is not a successful web story. Ditto for Xbox.
- ctvo 4y ago
  It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web, that you still haven't defined explicitly. Let's try: Is the web a consumer product that runs on the internet?
  - paganel 4y ago
    > It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web What's niche about websites? Leaving aside the snarky tone, I'll give you an example of how MS has continuously botched their web work for 20 years. If I go on Bing Maps (which I'm actually using on one of my pet projects on account of their permissive licensing) and I type in my Bucharest street address the auto-completion thing works fine, which is a plus (Apple's is much worst at that), but then again their map web project ends up pointing me about 200-300 meters from where I actually live. Google Maps does it pitch-perfect, has done it pitch-perfect for years (I think there have been around 10 years since they've added exact address searches for Bucharest). Many other such cases. Later edit: Forgot to mention, two of the closest POIs shown on Bing Maps have been closed for two years with other places having taking their place in the meantime. Again, GMaps has been almost instantaneous on putting that on their maps, MS seems to be a lot slower at that. That's what the web is all about, data that counts and that is of interest.
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    - ctvo 4y ago
      > What's niche about websites? Office 365 is web based. So does that count or is it conveniently a website also used by companies (and consumers) so we discount it? What's unique about web sites that you think is harder than what they've done elsewhere? What makes web sites harder to scale? Their inability to do mapping well has nothing to do with websites. So please, kindly stick to a definition and stop moving the goal post.

by ctvo 4y ago

paganel 4y ago

> Azure, Office 365 I explicitly mentioned the web, Office365 is not a successful web story. It is a successful enterprise story (afaik it is still wildly profitable for MS the company), but it is not a successful web story. Ditto for Xbox.

ctvo 4y ago
It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web, that you still haven't defined explicitly. Let's try: Is the web a consumer product that runs on the internet?
- paganel 4y ago
  > It doesn't fit your very niche definition of the web What's niche about websites? Leaving aside the snarky tone, I'll give you an example of how MS has continuously botched their web work for 20 years. If I go on Bing Maps (which I'm actually using on one of my pet projects on account of their permissive licensing) and I type in my Bucharest street address the auto-completion thing works fine, which is a plus (Apple's is much worst at that), but then again their map web project ends up pointing me about 200-300 meters from where I actually live. Google Maps does it pitch-perfect, has done it pitch-perfect for years (I think there have been around 10 years since they've added exact address searches for Bucharest). Many other such cases. Later edit: Forgot to mention, two of the closest POIs shown on Bing Maps have been closed for two years with other places having taking their place in the meantime. Again, GMaps has been almost instantaneous on putting that on their maps, MS seems to be a lot slower at that. That's what the web is all about, data that counts and that is of interest.
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  - ctvo 4y ago
    > What's niche about websites? Office 365 is web based. So does that count or is it conveniently a website also used by companies (and consumers) so we discount it? What's unique about web sites that you think is harder than what they've done elsewhere? What makes web sites harder to scale? Their inability to do mapping well has nothing to do with websites. So please, kindly stick to a definition and stop moving the goal post.