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While I agree that this requires criticism, this felt unnecessary from the author > We can take a few guesses as to why things are so big. First, Samsung is no

by dagmx 4y ago

While I agree that this requires criticism, this felt unnecessary from the author > We can take a few guesses as to why things are so big. First, Samsung is notorious for having a shoddy software division that pumps out low-quality code. The company tends to change everything in Android just for change's sake, and it's hard to imagine those changes are very good.

ryeights 4y ago
Samsung is the undisputed king of Android crapware. There's no crime in calling a spade a spade
mouse_ 4y ago
I don't think that it's unnecessary. Samsung's "Not-Invented-Here" syndrome causes legitimate problems, and it is increasingly becoming a notable reason to steer clear of their products.
OnlineGladiator 4y ago
I genuinely do not understand why people protest others sharing negative opinions. The author dislikes Samsung's software and he's writing about it. I tend to agree with him, although I stopped buying Samsung years ago so maybe it's changed. Why is it problematic for him to share something that many people agree with? Why can't people fucking complain about shit sucking? Are we going to give Meta the benefit of the doubt the next time they say they care about our privacy or are we going to learn from history and call out a company on their lazy practices?
- themitigating 4y ago
  "Why can't people fucking complain about shit sucking?" Not if it isn't justified
  - OnlineGladiator 4y ago
    Having used Samsung products in the past - how is it not justified?
    - unethical_ban 4y ago
      Samsung IMO has the best system UI of any current android device. Android UI is better than iPhone.
      - dymk 4y ago
        The stock Pixel UI is leagues better
      - somat 4y ago
        My immediate reaction was "But there both android, they are going to be nearly identical" but I have to admit I don't really know. Whats the difference between samsung android and google android?
      - Larrikin 4y ago
        The only people I've ever met that share the opinion the Samsung UI is good are people who have only ever used Samsung phones. They make arbitrary changes, with pretty much none of them being enhancements, just a change for the sake of change. Like silly stuff like moving the placement of the back button. It's better than it was, but pretty much every other manufacturer has learned to just stick to mostly the stock experience unless there's an actual improvement.
        unethical_ban 4y ago
        Eh, I've used Nexus, LG and Motorola in the past. I liked my LG alright. The Samsung is customizable enough, though they do change things from time to time. I am content that they provide me a way to adjust volume for different sound types easily, they allow me to choose media output quickly, and that the Always-On display can be configured to "only be on when I have new notifications" which functionally replaces notification LEDs for me. I run Nova for the home app, so I'm immune to some aspects of Samsung's control.
  - vidanay 4y ago
    But it is justified. I can complain about whatever the hell I want to.
- dagmx 4y ago
  Because it’s not a nuanced view. It’s the difference between constructive criticism and straight up shitting on something. It’s shitting on the entirety of their work without trying to understand if they did certain things for specific user reasons or not. I think it’s completely possible to complain about companies while still being constructive.
  - OnlineGladiator 4y ago
    Okay, but sometimes people deserve to have their work shat on. Not everything is worth defending. Sometimes shit just sucks, and after years of making the same criticisms it's tiring to repeat the reasoning ad infinitum since everybody already knows the conclusion. You're welcome to defend Samsung if you think they deserve it, but once you already have a bad reputation for something it seems you should expect to have to work to overcome it. I find it bizarre you think Samsung deserves some sort of special defense here. If anything I think the author was far too lenient. Most of the things I've worked on in my life have been utter fucking shit. Instead of defending it, I learned from it and improved. I don't see Samsung doing the same.
    - dagmx 4y ago
      Nobody is saying it needs to be defended. That’s something you’re implying that I never said. I just said that it’s not a constructively critical view, it’s just a rant.
      - OnlineGladiator 4y ago
        > Nobody is saying it needs to be defended. That’s something you’re implying that I never said. Fair. I apologize for being presumptuous. > I just said that it’s not a constructively critical view, it’s just a rant. Sure, but the rant is useful because it provides the context of Samsung sucking at the same thing consistently for years on end. You're right that it's not self-contained and if you were looking for that in the article you'd be disappointed. But at some point it just seems repetitive to have to explain things that have already been repeated for years. Like I don't really want to spend hours (not exaggerating as I've done it before) explaining why I hate cops every time I say so - most people are already well aware of the controversy surrounding cops and don't require an explanation even if they disagree. Anyway, I guess we just see it differently. Cheers.
Aachen 4y ago
Coming from stock Fairphone Android which was absolutely lacking features, I'm relatively happy with Samsung's additions. It's still not as good as Cyanogenmod with Xposed and other mods, but it goes a long way. The main problems I have with their customizations are universal: background app killing (apps you actually want to run) is a problem on any Android above 4.4, and it comes with a ton of tracking software which is also pretty universal aside from microG builds. Doesn't mean 60GB is justified, but I will never understand the love for a barebones skin that is faster but also makes half the things you do require twice as many interactions.
snozolli 4y ago
I can't speak to the first half, but the second half of that quote is absolutely true.
- malermeister 4y ago
  I can speak to the first half. I used to be the solo dev of a popular Android app and kept getting weird crash reports from Samsung devices. Only after decompiling the Samsung Android framework, I realized that one of the "features" they added kept making some unguarded `.equals()` comparison that kept throwing null-pointer exceptions because the String wasn't guaranteed to be non-null.

by dagmx 4y ago

ryeights 4y ago

Samsung is the undisputed king of Android crapware. There's no crime in calling a spade a spade

mouse_ 4y ago

I don't think that it's unnecessary. Samsung's "Not-Invented-Here" syndrome causes legitimate problems, and it is increasingly becoming a notable reason to steer clear of their products.

OnlineGladiator 4y ago

I genuinely do not understand why people protest others sharing negative opinions. The author dislikes Samsung's software and he's writing about it. I tend to agree with him, although I stopped buying Samsung years ago so maybe it's changed. Why is it problematic for him to share something that many people agree with? Why can't people fucking complain about shit sucking? Are we going to give Meta the benefit of the doubt the next time they say they care about our privacy or are we going to learn from history and call out a company on their lazy practices?

themitigating 4y ago
"Why can't people fucking complain about shit sucking?" Not if it isn't justified
- OnlineGladiator 4y ago
  Having used Samsung products in the past - how is it not justified?
  - unethical_ban 4y ago
    Samsung IMO has the best system UI of any current android device. Android UI is better than iPhone.
    - dymk 4y ago
      The stock Pixel UI is leagues better
    - somat 4y ago
      My immediate reaction was "But there both android, they are going to be nearly identical" but I have to admit I don't really know. Whats the difference between samsung android and google android?
    - Larrikin 4y ago
      The only people I've ever met that share the opinion the Samsung UI is good are people who have only ever used Samsung phones. They make arbitrary changes, with pretty much none of them being enhancements, just a change for the sake of change. Like silly stuff like moving the placement of the back button. It's better than it was, but pretty much every other manufacturer has learned to just stick to mostly the stock experience unless there's an actual improvement.
      - unethical_ban 4y ago
        Eh, I've used Nexus, LG and Motorola in the past. I liked my LG alright. The Samsung is customizable enough, though they do change things from time to time. I am content that they provide me a way to adjust volume for different sound types easily, they allow me to choose media output quickly, and that the Always-On display can be configured to "only be on when I have new notifications" which functionally replaces notification LEDs for me. I run Nova for the home app, so I'm immune to some aspects of Samsung's control.
- vidanay 4y ago
  But it is justified. I can complain about whatever the hell I want to.
dagmx 4y ago
Because it’s not a nuanced view. It’s the difference between constructive criticism and straight up shitting on something. It’s shitting on the entirety of their work without trying to understand if they did certain things for specific user reasons or not. I think it’s completely possible to complain about companies while still being constructive.
- OnlineGladiator 4y ago
  Okay, but sometimes people deserve to have their work shat on. Not everything is worth defending. Sometimes shit just sucks, and after years of making the same criticisms it's tiring to repeat the reasoning ad infinitum since everybody already knows the conclusion. You're welcome to defend Samsung if you think they deserve it, but once you already have a bad reputation for something it seems you should expect to have to work to overcome it. I find it bizarre you think Samsung deserves some sort of special defense here. If anything I think the author was far too lenient. Most of the things I've worked on in my life have been utter fucking shit. Instead of defending it, I learned from it and improved. I don't see Samsung doing the same.
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Nobody is saying it needs to be defended. That’s something you’re implying that I never said. I just said that it’s not a constructively critical view, it’s just a rant.
    - OnlineGladiator 4y ago
      > Nobody is saying it needs to be defended. That’s something you’re implying that I never said. Fair. I apologize for being presumptuous. > I just said that it’s not a constructively critical view, it’s just a rant. Sure, but the rant is useful because it provides the context of Samsung sucking at the same thing consistently for years on end. You're right that it's not self-contained and if you were looking for that in the article you'd be disappointed. But at some point it just seems repetitive to have to explain things that have already been repeated for years. Like I don't really want to spend hours (not exaggerating as I've done it before) explaining why I hate cops every time I say so - most people are already well aware of the controversy surrounding cops and don't require an explanation even if they disagree. Anyway, I guess we just see it differently. Cheers.

Aachen 4y ago

Coming from stock Fairphone Android which was absolutely lacking features, I'm relatively happy with Samsung's additions. It's still not as good as Cyanogenmod with Xposed and other mods, but it goes a long way. The main problems I have with their customizations are universal: background app killing (apps you actually want to run) is a problem on any Android above 4.4, and it comes with a ton of tracking software which is also pretty universal aside from microG builds. Doesn't mean 60GB is justified, but I will never understand the love for a barebones skin that is faster but also makes half the things you do require twice as many interactions.

snozolli 4y ago

I can't speak to the first half, but the second half of that quote is absolutely true.

malermeister 4y ago
I can speak to the first half. I used to be the solo dev of a popular Android app and kept getting weird crash reports from Samsung devices. Only after decompiling the Samsung Android framework, I realized that one of the "features" they added kept making some unguarded `.equals()` comparison that kept throwing null-pointer exceptions because the String wasn't guaranteed to be non-null.