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Why do you say google is scrambling when they have been working on AI stuff just as impressive as OpenAI, which you could spin differently to say Microsoft “scr
by enneff 4y ago
Why do you say google is scrambling when they have been working on AI stuff just as impressive as OpenAI, which you could spin differently to say Microsoft “scrambled” to make a partnership with and are now attempting to cram GPT into their tech stack.
FWIW I don’t think either company are really scrambling except in the performative sense of making announcements to appease the market.
- dougmwne 4y agoBecause while Google has been researching, OpenAI has been productizing. We will have to judge it once we get access to Bard, but it’s possible Google is years behind on creating a chat model that won’t spew toxic waste, as GPT-3 did when it was first released a few years ago.
- enneff 4y agoI work at google and have used their AI tools and they’re just as impressive as the OpenAI ones (which I use personally, outside of work). Both have been developing products, just google hasn’t released any of them.
- dougmwne 4y agoHave you done adversarial testing? How easy is it to jailbreak Bard vs. ChatGPT? Can Bard produce code?
- enneff 4y agoObviously I am unable to discuss the details, as much as I might like to. Sorry.
- dougmwne 4y agoThat’s just it though. GPT-3 has been publicly accessible for years. ChatGPT has been public and hitting scale for months. OpenAI has collected mountains of AI chat training data and has been iterating in public. Google has nothing available to the public and you are under NDA. And you think we should be optimistic about Google’s progress? Will this new search feature last longer than Stadia? Either way, chat interfaces in both search engines should be available to some of the public within the next few weeks. Theory is about to smack into reality at scale.
- sidibe 4y agoNot spewing toxic waste is actually a big part of what Google has spent years working on here. The fact that someone else released the first such product allows them to do it too without solving the problem with less media flak. Productionizing this stuff is where Google gets the most advantage because they have the hardware and software efficiencies that comes form years of experience training and running inference on the most massive AI workloads for many many years in their data centers I don't think this is going to be what damages Google, much more optimistic about antitrust stuff.
- enneff 4y agoYeah I keep thinking about how different the reception to ChatGPT would have been if it were released by Google. People would be way more focused on how you can make it spout total nonsense with supreme confidence. (Which imo is the major flaw in all these ML models.)
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- lolinder 4y agoMicrosoft's partnership with OpenAI is a years-long affair, not something they're just starting on now. Google should have seen this coming and been able to beat them to release, but they seem to have been caught off guard with some great research projects but no product.
- enneff 4y agoBoth companies have been doing AI work for a long time. Do you really think google is behind on AI here just because they haven’t released any products? What do they stand to gain by pushing out half-baked toys? They have nothing to prove.
- lolinder 4y agoGoogle isn't Apple. Google's strategy for the last 10 years at least has been to throw out half baked products and see what takes off. If they had anything usable, we would know by now. And, on the contrary, Google has everything to prove. ChatGPT exploited a years-long dissatisfaction with Google search and has millions of people using it in lieu of Google's primary product. This is the most existential threat that Google has faced since its birth, and they are not handling it well.
- enneff 4y agoYou’re living in a fantasy land. If I had a major criticism of Google in the past decade it’s that they don’t release early or often enough. If you think people are dissatisfied with google search then you’re missing the point that people don’t think about google search at all, they just reflexively use it all day. I don’t know anyone who uses chatgpt with such frequency or in a way that is so central to their daily life, and I have a much more tech-savvy circle of friends than most people.