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I think they're just saying this occurrence isn't unique and it doesn't look like they approve of it. Many of us identify with our own struggles in deep ways. I

by kodah 4y ago

I think they're just saying this occurrence isn't unique and it doesn't look like they approve of it. Many of us identify with our own struggles in deep ways. If you create an opportunity for people to organize around those struggles then people will, because as was said, there is power there. That power is in representation. The problem is generally in the silo'ing of representation. This is, imo, what things like intersectionality begin to address. We have an entire country now that was founded based on legitimate religious persecution that devolved in the ~200 years since it's founding to go on to oppress others. We can and should do better.

DrThunder 4y ago
Ok, and my point is that doing the exact same thing as those people did in the past isn't doing better. You don't fix oppression by moving that oppression to a new group. Simply pointing out that victimhood has always existed serves no purpose at all in response to my original comment. "This is, imo, what things like intersectionality begin to address." How? All intersectionality does is create a competition for the most oppressed. You will never be enough of a victim. Nothing good comes of a society that focuses specifically on how oppressed they are and vies for the most oppressed group or person. "We have an entire country now that was founded based on legitimate religious persecution" Name a country where this hasn't happened. There are many where this is still happening and to a further extent than anything in the US. Ironically, you're right in weird roundabout way that I do not think you fully comprehend. EVERYONE has been a victim of some sort so it's irrelevant and we shouldn't spend one iota more of our short lives trying to discern who the highest victims of our society are. What a waste and it does nothing to improve the supposed oppressed.
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- supercheetah 4y ago
  Your description of intersectionality is the exact opposite of what it is. It's entire purpose is to show everyone that playing the operation Olympics is a pointless game that no one wins. It's too show that everyone's struggles don't fit into neat little boxes that define them, and show that social problems are multidimensional that don't have simple solutions, and shows that a lot of DEI initiatives are superficial, and likely won't make any real difference.
  - DrThunder 4y ago
    "everyone that playing the operation Olympics is a pointless game that no one wins" Except reality has proven you wrong. We've never lived in a time where people are more well fed, have more personal belongings, longer life spans etc. It is in fact, objectively, not a pointless game.
    - LordDragonfang 4y ago
      "operation Olympics" is pretty clearly an autocorrect typo of "oppression Olympics", which makes this response kind of a non-sequitor.
  - mikrotikker 4y ago
    Intersectionality? The ideology famous for having a victim heirarchy so you have an ideological rating of how much of a victim someone is?
    - LordDragonfang 4y ago
      Could you link me to the source that describes intersectionality in a way even remotely approximating that? Or where this "victim hierarchy" is detailed? I'd love to calculate my victim score™.
      - mikrotikker 4y ago
        https://medium.com/@burntoakboy/the-hierarchy-of-victimhood-5f356f051966#:~:text=But%20perhaps%20the%20worst%20thing,deserving%20of%20ridicule%20and%20censorship https://medium.com/@burntoakboy/the-hierarchy-of-victimhood-....
        ModernMech 4y ago
        What’s missing here is a notion of intersectionality, which explicitly is about how people are not just a singular identity, but an “intersection” of many - some of which may confer privilege, some of which may be discriminated against. Ignoring this body of work makes the linked article a straw man argument with some cherry picked examples that don’t even make a point (why am I supposed to care that AOC tweets about some people at the exclusion of others?)

by kodah 4y ago

DrThunder 4y ago

Ok, and my point is that doing the exact same thing as those people did in the past isn't doing better. You don't fix oppression by moving that oppression to a new group. Simply pointing out that victimhood has always existed serves no purpose at all in response to my original comment. "This is, imo, what things like intersectionality begin to address." How? All intersectionality does is create a competition for the most oppressed. You will never be enough of a victim. Nothing good comes of a society that focuses specifically on how oppressed they are and vies for the most oppressed group or person. "We have an entire country now that was founded based on legitimate religious persecution" Name a country where this hasn't happened. There are many where this is still happening and to a further extent than anything in the US. Ironically, you're right in weird roundabout way that I do not think you fully comprehend. EVERYONE has been a victim of some sort so it's irrelevant and we shouldn't spend one iota more of our short lives trying to discern who the highest victims of our society are. What a waste and it does nothing to improve the supposed oppressed.

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supercheetah 4y ago
Your description of intersectionality is the exact opposite of what it is. It's entire purpose is to show everyone that playing the operation Olympics is a pointless game that no one wins. It's too show that everyone's struggles don't fit into neat little boxes that define them, and show that social problems are multidimensional that don't have simple solutions, and shows that a lot of DEI initiatives are superficial, and likely won't make any real difference.
- DrThunder 4y ago
  "everyone that playing the operation Olympics is a pointless game that no one wins" Except reality has proven you wrong. We've never lived in a time where people are more well fed, have more personal belongings, longer life spans etc. It is in fact, objectively, not a pointless game.
  - LordDragonfang 4y ago
    "operation Olympics" is pretty clearly an autocorrect typo of "oppression Olympics", which makes this response kind of a non-sequitor.
- mikrotikker 4y ago
  Intersectionality? The ideology famous for having a victim heirarchy so you have an ideological rating of how much of a victim someone is?
  - LordDragonfang 4y ago
    Could you link me to the source that describes intersectionality in a way even remotely approximating that? Or where this "victim hierarchy" is detailed? I'd love to calculate my victim score™.
    - mikrotikker 4y ago
      https://medium.com/@burntoakboy/the-hierarchy-of-victimhood-5f356f051966#:~:text=But%20perhaps%20the%20worst%20thing,deserving%20of%20ridicule%20and%20censorship https://medium.com/@burntoakboy/the-hierarchy-of-victimhood-....
      - ModernMech 4y ago
        What’s missing here is a notion of intersectionality, which explicitly is about how people are not just a singular identity, but an “intersection” of many - some of which may confer privilege, some of which may be discriminated against. Ignoring this body of work makes the linked article a straw man argument with some cherry picked examples that don’t even make a point (why am I supposed to care that AOC tweets about some people at the exclusion of others?)