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> No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. > It is easy to see the two countries are by all means s

> No blanket statements made. I spoke about the GOP, referring to the leadership. No blanket labeling. > It is easy to see the two countries are by all means shitholes, and so are red states... it is possible that you have become so accustomed to "political talking points"-type "discussion" (i.e. twitter) that you genuinely think this is normal, respectful discourse—I would consider reflecting upon this a bit. > You have repeatedly avoided actual discussion of the matter at hand, the position I put forth yes, this was intentional—I did not come to this comments thread to discuss Russia or red states or Trump or Republicans or Ben Shapiro or Nazis or Iran or Putin or any of the other dozens of unrelated things you've brought up, and repeated taunts attempting to get me to do so, on your terms, are extremely unbecoming and exceedingly tiring. you already have an entire ideology that explains how you should feel about these things, and I've made it clear that I am familiar with this ideology, yet unwilling to participate in or engage with it—why do you consider this unsatisfactory, to the point of direct personal insults, which I have refrained from thus far? why am I supposed to engage in good-faith discourse with someone who comports themselves thusly? you have yet to give me any incentive for engaging with you and your myriad highly-charged political talking points other than "because I want you to", and then on top of this, you insult me for not taking you up on your offer? ironically, this is precisely what I was talking about in my original post above: this is exactly the level of discourse I've come to expect from anyone who casually lobs the word "fascists" about. no attempt at good-faith discussion, a complex Byzantine web of interconnected political ideas, any and all of which may be brought into discussion without warning, and a general attitude of abject rudeness. again: I recommend serious self-reflection.

ekleraki 4y ago
Enlighten me then, if not with the word "fascist", how should I characterize the class of people that apparently wants me dead, and as a collective exhibit all 14 characteristics of Fascism as defined by Umberto Eco? Which word has sufficient gravitas to convey that I am genuinely scared about my friends in red states who can't leave? To convey the terror of hearing about yet another shooting towards people just like you? Which word can I use to describe people who don't want me to live? Which word can adequately describe the class of people that carry such vile acts or condone them? What should I use instead?
- adamrezich 4y ago
  far be it from me to question your Gospel and its preferred terms. by all means feel free to continue to keep using the word as you have been—not only do I lack authority to prescribe which terms you can and cannot use, but also as I said above, the mere use of the term provides a convenient heuristic for many to simply avoid engaging or associating with that person, lest they bring topics such as Donald Trump, Nazis, Vladimir Putin, Iran, the GOP, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, red states, and direct personal insults into the conversation, almost all at once, completely unprompted. there was a time in years past where I was more willing to engage with this sort of openly-antagonistic rhetoric but then I turned 30 and it's all just so tiresome now. arguing with you about your political ideology is exactly equivalent to arguing with a zealot of a religion that is not my own—I want to be as respectful as possible with regards to something that you clearly take very seriously and personally (despite you refusing to extend the same courtesy), while simultaneously refusing to directly engage with the disagreements between us, as there's virtually zero chance that any of that is going to be in any way productive for any of us. do you happen to have any friends of any political persuasion other than that of your own? about half of my friends disagree with me politically, and we all know it, yet we can remain civil when talking about stuff, because we all have a sense for which things we consider take for granted as true, that the others may not, so we all wordlessly agree to avoid making statements like that. but that's just about all you've done so far here in this thread, which is something I've come to attribute to people who don't have that much ideological diversity in their social circle(s), such that they're only used to interacting with people that generally either agree with them about everything (upon which they find mutual agreement), or have wholesale outright ideological opposition towards (upon which they get into twitter-style flamewar arguments, usually exclusively over the Internet). by contrast, when you have an ideologically diverse group of friends and people you associate with, you generally learn to comport yourself better in circumstances where your personal beliefs are at odds with others.
  - ekleraki 4y ago
    I am asking you, as a trans person fearing for their life, how i should call the people i am terrified of, the people who seem to hate me for my mere existence without ever interacting with me, who have already decided that i am going to hell and seem to want to help me go there sooner. I do have friends with different political beliefs. They don’t know about my “status”, they have expressed horrific comments about LGBT people without seeing the irony in the fact that said beliefs are learned and so i just dont say anything so as to not out myself. I was politically on the “opposite” side of this, until somebody showed me empathy for the person I am, they helped me learn to love myself instead of hating my mere existence. For the first time i have something to live for, and all i see is attacks against people like me on the rise. For the first time, I have something to lose. I just want to live, unapologetically, for me as me, and yet i am terrified of the people who openly call for the murder of those just like me. Do you know what that is like? What am I supposed to do? Just sit there and watch?

ekleraki 4y ago

Enlighten me then, if not with the word "fascist", how should I characterize the class of people that apparently wants me dead, and as a collective exhibit all 14 characteristics of Fascism as defined by Umberto Eco? Which word has sufficient gravitas to convey that I am genuinely scared about my friends in red states who can't leave? To convey the terror of hearing about yet another shooting towards people just like you? Which word can I use to describe people who don't want me to live? Which word can adequately describe the class of people that carry such vile acts or condone them? What should I use instead?

adamrezich 4y ago
far be it from me to question your Gospel and its preferred terms. by all means feel free to continue to keep using the word as you have been—not only do I lack authority to prescribe which terms you can and cannot use, but also as I said above, the mere use of the term provides a convenient heuristic for many to simply avoid engaging or associating with that person, lest they bring topics such as Donald Trump, Nazis, Vladimir Putin, Iran, the GOP, Matt Walsh, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, red states, and direct personal insults into the conversation, almost all at once, completely unprompted. there was a time in years past where I was more willing to engage with this sort of openly-antagonistic rhetoric but then I turned 30 and it's all just so tiresome now. arguing with you about your political ideology is exactly equivalent to arguing with a zealot of a religion that is not my own—I want to be as respectful as possible with regards to something that you clearly take very seriously and personally (despite you refusing to extend the same courtesy), while simultaneously refusing to directly engage with the disagreements between us, as there's virtually zero chance that any of that is going to be in any way productive for any of us. do you happen to have any friends of any political persuasion other than that of your own? about half of my friends disagree with me politically, and we all know it, yet we can remain civil when talking about stuff, because we all have a sense for which things we consider take for granted as true, that the others may not, so we all wordlessly agree to avoid making statements like that. but that's just about all you've done so far here in this thread, which is something I've come to attribute to people who don't have that much ideological diversity in their social circle(s), such that they're only used to interacting with people that generally either agree with them about everything (upon which they find mutual agreement), or have wholesale outright ideological opposition towards (upon which they get into twitter-style flamewar arguments, usually exclusively over the Internet). by contrast, when you have an ideologically diverse group of friends and people you associate with, you generally learn to comport yourself better in circumstances where your personal beliefs are at odds with others.
- ekleraki 4y ago
  I am asking you, as a trans person fearing for their life, how i should call the people i am terrified of, the people who seem to hate me for my mere existence without ever interacting with me, who have already decided that i am going to hell and seem to want to help me go there sooner. I do have friends with different political beliefs. They don’t know about my “status”, they have expressed horrific comments about LGBT people without seeing the irony in the fact that said beliefs are learned and so i just dont say anything so as to not out myself. I was politically on the “opposite” side of this, until somebody showed me empathy for the person I am, they helped me learn to love myself instead of hating my mere existence. For the first time i have something to live for, and all i see is attacks against people like me on the rise. For the first time, I have something to lose. I just want to live, unapologetically, for me as me, and yet i am terrified of the people who openly call for the murder of those just like me. Do you know what that is like? What am I supposed to do? Just sit there and watch?