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You're making a great argument to throw out US culture wholesale and replace it with Swedish culture. If we just do that, it sounds like we won't need lockdowns
by vkou 4y ago
You're making a great argument to throw out US culture wholesale and replace it with Swedish culture. If we just do that, it sounds like we won't need lockdowns, and all sorts of other annoying and bad things like EPOs and PPOs and metal detectors in schools and the highest incarceration rate in the world.
It's weird how the 'Sweden does it better' argument always gets meaningful traction when it comes to lockdowns, but never with healthcare, or civics, or gun culture.
- captainbland 4y agoLet's not forget social security and trade union/collective bargaining participation.
- slaw 4y agoCompare California with strict lockowns to Florida with more relaxed lockdowns. There is not significant difference with excessive deaths.
- vkou 4y agoCompare how they were implemented in practice[1], outside of parts of SF and LA. Nobody remotely followed the rules in the rest of the state. Again, Sweeden didn't have a low excess death rate because they didn't do lockdowns, they had a low excess death rate because people in Sweeden acted responsibly to control the spread. Instead of harping on about lockdowns, why aren't we harping on about developing social responsibility, instead? (The answer is obvious - it's in direct contradiction to the 'ME, ME, ME' culture we put on a pedestal here.) [1] Even in theory, they were not meaningful. China had meaningful lockdowns, ours looked more like someone LARPing at doing a lockdown.
- slaw 4y agoSo people died outside of SF and LA? Lockdowns were useless.