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But the entire audience didn't say "boo, your jokes are bad!", otherwise no one would have been viewing the Seinfeld stream in the first place. Instead, a tiny

But the entire audience didn't say "boo, your jokes are bad!", otherwise no one would have been viewing the Seinfeld stream in the first place. Instead, a tiny fraction of the viewers decided to shout that they were being harmed by the content that no one made them watch, and implied that Twitch is morally culpable for the opinions of (non-human!) creators on their platform. Twitch, out of fear of legal or viral repercussions, plays it safe and removes content that the vast majority of the audience was enjoying. We know the majority of the audience was enjoying it, because we're hearing about it. You don't hear about shows with zero attendance being canceled - because no one cares!

ben_w 4y ago
> entire I didn't use that word. > out of fear of legal or viral repercussions, Is why places have always refused to host people even way back when. It's an even stronger reason for the host location to say "no" than for an event organiser.
- erulabs 4y ago
  This conversation is a problem of definition. Cancel culture is not the entire or even half the audience of a club complaining about the act. Cancel culture is 500 people out of 50M (0.0001%) complaining, which combined with the power of journalistic headlines to blow things wildly out of proportion, results in the act being removed - even though, in many cases, 100% of the in person audience enjoyed the act. In fact, in many cases, the shows are sold out and there are no free seats, so we can assume much more than 100% of the audience enjoyed the act. Cancel culture when a tiny minority can use outrage to cudgel others into complying. You can pretend when people say "cancel culture" they mean "popular opinion", but that's not what they mean, even a little bit.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    > Cancel culture Until this point, I thought we were talking about literally being cancelled, not whatever the phrase "cancel culture" means in modern political discourse, given that this headline is literally about an endless AI-generated stream being switched off. Everything I used was intended as an analogy to that end. > Cancel culture is 500 people out of 50M (0.0001%) complaining, which combined with the power of journalistic headlines to blow things wildly out of proportion, results in the act being removed Reminds me of what (allegedly) happened in the UK in the 70s and 80s when some Christians were very upset to learn of Pagans appearing on the BBC. Also what I see happening in some quarters today with regard to trans women, which has very recently mutated into "also furries" (is this a confusion with "transhuman"? Seen a bit of hate towards that recently too). Also why the TV stations were so concerned about what happened with Shatner and Nichols, and why TNG's "gay rights" episode was so bland you could miss that entire aspect of the story. And, now I think about it, why there were no women captains in TOS. Not saying any of these things are "good", though I rather suspect you're underestimating the number of people who find $insert_topic_here enraging for whatever reason — people are a mess.
    - erulabs 4y ago
      Eh, this comment itself is proof that cancel culture is a thing. You're hand wringing about someone, somewhere, who is probably upset. You're okay with something being removed that you don't personally find offensive, but instead find offensive on behalf of imaginary people you don't know.

ben_w 4y ago

> entire I didn't use that word. > out of fear of legal or viral repercussions, Is why places have always refused to host people even way back when. It's an even stronger reason for the host location to say "no" than for an event organiser.

erulabs 4y ago
This conversation is a problem of definition. Cancel culture is not the entire or even half the audience of a club complaining about the act. Cancel culture is 500 people out of 50M (0.0001%) complaining, which combined with the power of journalistic headlines to blow things wildly out of proportion, results in the act being removed - even though, in many cases, 100% of the in person audience enjoyed the act. In fact, in many cases, the shows are sold out and there are no free seats, so we can assume much more than 100% of the audience enjoyed the act. Cancel culture when a tiny minority can use outrage to cudgel others into complying. You can pretend when people say "cancel culture" they mean "popular opinion", but that's not what they mean, even a little bit.
- ben_w 4y ago
  > Cancel culture Until this point, I thought we were talking about literally being cancelled, not whatever the phrase "cancel culture" means in modern political discourse, given that this headline is literally about an endless AI-generated stream being switched off. Everything I used was intended as an analogy to that end. > Cancel culture is 500 people out of 50M (0.0001%) complaining, which combined with the power of journalistic headlines to blow things wildly out of proportion, results in the act being removed Reminds me of what (allegedly) happened in the UK in the 70s and 80s when some Christians were very upset to learn of Pagans appearing on the BBC. Also what I see happening in some quarters today with regard to trans women, which has very recently mutated into "also furries" (is this a confusion with "transhuman"? Seen a bit of hate towards that recently too). Also why the TV stations were so concerned about what happened with Shatner and Nichols, and why TNG's "gay rights" episode was so bland you could miss that entire aspect of the story. And, now I think about it, why there were no women captains in TOS. Not saying any of these things are "good", though I rather suspect you're underestimating the number of people who find $insert_topic_here enraging for whatever reason — people are a mess.
  - erulabs 4y ago
    Eh, this comment itself is proof that cancel culture is a thing. You're hand wringing about someone, somewhere, who is probably upset. You're okay with something being removed that you don't personally find offensive, but instead find offensive on behalf of imaginary people you don't know.