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It literally evokes the Ministry of Truth from 1984, where over lunch time conversations the employees were discussing the newest Newspeak words invented to rep

It literally evokes the Ministry of Truth from 1984, where over lunch time conversations the employees were discussing the newest Newspeak words invented to replace words deemed too dangerous.

throwaway29812 4y ago
That's..not what's being discussed
wilg 4y ago
I, too, read 1984 in middle school.
KennyBlanken 4y ago
Researchers having ethical standards for how they want work published and available to used by others, monitoring how others are trying to subvert those standards, and modifying their software to at least deter use... ....is not remotely like a fictitious story about employees of a propaganda office discussing changes in language and terminology approved by an autocratic, dystopian government. They're trying to casually dissuade others from things like publishing fake news stories (wherein the danger is not just the fake news itself, but that it can be generated in such quantity that it completely overwhelms all the "normal" counter.) It won't stop determined actors - but determined actors are a much smaller group and they're nearly impossible to stop anyway. Is there some equivalent to Godwin's law but for analogies to 1984?
- NHQ 4y ago
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CatWChainsaw 4y ago
... No. Winston was talking to someone who was enthusiastically discussing the fact that Newspeak was simplifying the entire language, not just dangerous ideas, so that thought would simplify with it. He remarked that in ten years, the conversation they were having would be unintelligible. He was unpersoned.
robocat 4y ago
The most apt metaphor for ChatGPT from 1984 is the versificator: “The purpose of the versificator is to provide a means of producing 'creative' output without having any of the party members having to actually engage in a creative thought. The versificator is capable of producing newspapers, containing content similar to that found in modern day tabloid, featuring stories concerning sports, crime and astrology. The machine is also capable of producing films, low quality paperback novels, and music, of a sort.” - quote from an Internet. The lunchtime conversion you refer to is Winston and Syme talking. Winston realises that Syme is going to be disappeared. Even though Syme is super-capable and entirely dedicated to the party, he is too intellectual and his talk is too close to the truth, which makes him a threat that needs to be eliminated.

It literally evokes the Ministry of Truth from 1984, where over lunch time conversations the employees were discussing the newest Newspeak words invented to replace words deemed too dangerous.

throwaway29812 4y ago

That's..not what's being discussed

wilg 4y ago

I, too, read 1984 in middle school.

KennyBlanken 4y ago

Researchers having ethical standards for how they want work published and available to used by others, monitoring how others are trying to subvert those standards, and modifying their software to at least deter use... ....is not remotely like a fictitious story about employees of a propaganda office discussing changes in language and terminology approved by an autocratic, dystopian government. They're trying to casually dissuade others from things like publishing fake news stories (wherein the danger is not just the fake news itself, but that it can be generated in such quantity that it completely overwhelms all the "normal" counter.) It won't stop determined actors - but determined actors are a much smaller group and they're nearly impossible to stop anyway. Is there some equivalent to Godwin's law but for analogies to 1984?

NHQ 4y ago
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CatWChainsaw 4y ago

... No. Winston was talking to someone who was enthusiastically discussing the fact that Newspeak was simplifying the entire language, not just dangerous ideas, so that thought would simplify with it. He remarked that in ten years, the conversation they were having would be unintelligible. He was unpersoned.

robocat 4y ago

The most apt metaphor for ChatGPT from 1984 is the versificator: “The purpose of the versificator is to provide a means of producing 'creative' output without having any of the party members having to actually engage in a creative thought. The versificator is capable of producing newspapers, containing content similar to that found in modern day tabloid, featuring stories concerning sports, crime and astrology. The machine is also capable of producing films, low quality paperback novels, and music, of a sort.” - quote from an Internet. The lunchtime conversion you refer to is Winston and Syme talking. Winston realises that Syme is going to be disappeared. Even though Syme is super-capable and entirely dedicated to the party, he is too intellectual and his talk is too close to the truth, which makes him a threat that needs to be eliminated.