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A while ago. Going against the party line of the week -- you are liable to get cancelled. See: Dave Chapelle being called a white supremacist nazi transphobe fo

A while ago. Going against the party line of the week -- you are liable to get cancelled. See: Dave Chapelle being called a white supremacist nazi transphobe for his set.

anoonmoose 4y ago
Chapelle is rolling in Netflix money and won a Grammy last night. By what metric is he "cancelled" other than "some people called him bad names"?
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  Don't you know? You are supposed to be on your knees in front of Chapelle worshiping him. Criticism flows down hill.
- BitwiseFool 4y ago
  I can't help but think that his prior fame and clout as a comedian, alongside his existing wealth, is what enabled him to get his recent bits produced and published. He was already well known and well liked enough to overcome the controversy. I don't think his success indicates any comedian can do the same and be free of cancellation, or that it should be taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians.
  - anoonmoose 4y ago
    > taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians Sounds like trying to prove a negative. If people want to convince me that cancellation is a real thing for comedians, I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled. CK and Chappelle ain't it.
    - BitwiseFool 4y ago
      >"I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled" I have an inkling of how this would go. I'd do a quick google search and offer up a handful of names. The counter argument would probably be along the lines of 'that wasn't really cancellation, it was actually...' and then we'd go back and forth debating the meaning of words. The point I was specifically trying to make was that because Chapelle defied expectations and was successful, that does not mean cancellation isn't a real thing that can happen to other comedians.
      - anoonmoose 4y ago
        This is a pretty lazy, hand-waving, "I'm right so there's no need for discussion" response, imo.
- slackfan 4y ago
  So, what you're telling me, is that millionaires get to make transphobic jokes all they want, because they are immune to cancellation because of their bank account. Fun.
  - pjc50 4y ago
    That is basically what happens, yes. If you've got enough money you can even demand transphobic legislation.
  - nemothekid 4y ago
    >because of their bank account. He won a grammy. I don't know what more you can want. It seems like cancelled has come to mean "everyone doesn't immediately fellate me"
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    No one is stopping you from making transphobic jokes it you want to. You're not entitled to have anyone listen to you, or like you, or give you any money for it, but you can totally do it.
jasonlotito 4y ago
Getting cancelled means you win a Grammy. Getting cancelled means you sell out Madison Square Garden. Getting cancelled is being called names. Boohoo.
- slackfan 4y ago
  Being successful despite people calling you some vile shit because of who you are and what you believe absolves the people calling you vile shit from any responsibility. Yes, indeed.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    So if I understand you correctly, what you're really pissed off about is that no one will pay you money to make transphobic statements?
    - slackfan 4y ago
      Question - is any viewpoint you don't agree with mean that whoever wrote it must be pissed off? Frankly, I don't give a crap about Chapelle, he has more money than I ever will for better or for worse, he exists and has his fans and detractors, that's absolutely fine by me. He was a useful example though that seems to rustle peoples' jimmies though.
      - anoonmoose 4y ago
        What do you think he was "a useful example" of? Context would imply you think he's an example of a comedian who was cancelled for being offensive...but most of the replies (mine included) seem to be saying "but he wasn't actually cancelled", which really calls into question whether or not that makes him "a useful example"...
        slackfan 4y ago
        He was cancelled for about two weeks before his money got him through it. Seems like a relevant example to me. Also to this day people call a black man white supremacist so...
shrubble 4y ago
So Dave Chapelle is now officially a 'Black White Supremacist'?
- slackfan 4y ago
  Any Black person who doesn't toe the party line is a White Supremacist.

A while ago. Going against the party line of the week -- you are liable to get cancelled. See: Dave Chapelle being called a white supremacist nazi transphobe for his set.

anoonmoose 4y ago

Chapelle is rolling in Netflix money and won a Grammy last night. By what metric is he "cancelled" other than "some people called him bad names"?

jasonlotito 4y ago
Don't you know? You are supposed to be on your knees in front of Chapelle worshiping him. Criticism flows down hill.
BitwiseFool 4y ago
I can't help but think that his prior fame and clout as a comedian, alongside his existing wealth, is what enabled him to get his recent bits produced and published. He was already well known and well liked enough to overcome the controversy. I don't think his success indicates any comedian can do the same and be free of cancellation, or that it should be taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians.
- anoonmoose 4y ago
  > taken as evidence that cancellation isn't a real thing for comedians Sounds like trying to prove a negative. If people want to convince me that cancellation is a real thing for comedians, I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled. CK and Chappelle ain't it.
  - BitwiseFool 4y ago
    >"I'd want to see...examples of comedians who actually got cancelled" I have an inkling of how this would go. I'd do a quick google search and offer up a handful of names. The counter argument would probably be along the lines of 'that wasn't really cancellation, it was actually...' and then we'd go back and forth debating the meaning of words. The point I was specifically trying to make was that because Chapelle defied expectations and was successful, that does not mean cancellation isn't a real thing that can happen to other comedians.
    - anoonmoose 4y ago
      This is a pretty lazy, hand-waving, "I'm right so there's no need for discussion" response, imo.
slackfan 4y ago
So, what you're telling me, is that millionaires get to make transphobic jokes all they want, because they are immune to cancellation because of their bank account. Fun.
- pjc50 4y ago
  That is basically what happens, yes. If you've got enough money you can even demand transphobic legislation.
- nemothekid 4y ago
  >because of their bank account. He won a grammy. I don't know what more you can want. It seems like cancelled has come to mean "everyone doesn't immediately fellate me"
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  No one is stopping you from making transphobic jokes it you want to. You're not entitled to have anyone listen to you, or like you, or give you any money for it, but you can totally do it.

jasonlotito 4y ago

Getting cancelled means you win a Grammy. Getting cancelled means you sell out Madison Square Garden. Getting cancelled is being called names. Boohoo.

slackfan 4y ago
Being successful despite people calling you some vile shit because of who you are and what you believe absolves the people calling you vile shit from any responsibility. Yes, indeed.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  So if I understand you correctly, what you're really pissed off about is that no one will pay you money to make transphobic statements?
  - slackfan 4y ago
    Question - is any viewpoint you don't agree with mean that whoever wrote it must be pissed off? Frankly, I don't give a crap about Chapelle, he has more money than I ever will for better or for worse, he exists and has his fans and detractors, that's absolutely fine by me. He was a useful example though that seems to rustle peoples' jimmies though.
    - anoonmoose 4y ago
      What do you think he was "a useful example" of? Context would imply you think he's an example of a comedian who was cancelled for being offensive...but most of the replies (mine included) seem to be saying "but he wasn't actually cancelled", which really calls into question whether or not that makes him "a useful example"...
      - slackfan 4y ago
        He was cancelled for about two weeks before his money got him through it. Seems like a relevant example to me. Also to this day people call a black man white supremacist so...

shrubble 4y ago

So Dave Chapelle is now officially a 'Black White Supremacist'?

slackfan 4y ago
Any Black person who doesn't toe the party line is a White Supremacist.