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Yet the n-bomb, gay and b*tch and other words as a universal slur and negative adjective were everywhere on irc. Casual rape references were constant, it was ab

Yet the n-bomb, gay and b*tch and other words as a universal slur and negative adjective were everywhere on irc. Casual rape references were constant, it was about as bad as Xbox voice chat. I have trouble going back and reading much of bash.org's top 100 due to the things you're claiming didn't exist. http://bash.org/?99060 http://bash.org/?99060 http://bash.org/?5775 http://bash.org/?5775 http://bash.org/?23601 http://bash.org/?23601 Just because you didn't mean it or it didn't bother you doesn't mean it wasn't hostile to others.

jakelazaroff 4y ago
Wow, forgot about bash.org but that's a good reference to pull. Definitely a microcosm of IRC culture at the time.
drstewart 4y ago
Wow, solid resource: http://bash.org/?121764 http://bash.org/?121764 ><p00p> why do you crackers steal everything from us? http://bash.org/?51331 http://bash.org/?51331 >(@virt) cracker barrel is the most hilarious name for a place where a bunch of white people go http://bash.org/?86009 http://bash.org/?86009 ><Gabe> It's sad when white people try to talk like black inner city people. It's doubly sad when those white people are European. :P Incredibly virulent anti-whiteness. Thank you for posting this to open our eyes to this.
- jakelazaroff 4y ago
  The fact that these are so low-ranking compared to the top quotes is instructive. Also, the third one is definitely an example of anti-Blackness, not anti-whiteness.
  - drstewart 4y ago
    Low ranking based on what? Are you telling people what feelings they should have towards slurs directed towards them? The "top quotes" don't bother me at all, for example.
    - jakelazaroff 4y ago
      Low ranking based on the number of votes they got. That's the green (or red) number in parentheses between the plus and minus signs. The top 100 quotes range from 9,000 to 41,000. If I refresh random a few times, the most common number of votes seems to be in the mid-100s, which is exactly where these fall. So the fact that - you had to search to find a couple low ranking quotes that might be insulting to white people - there are numerous top ranking quotes that might be insulting to women, gay people, black people, etc - those top quotes don't bother you supports OP's point and undermines your own.
      - MacsHeadroom 4y ago
        Votes have no relation to how much any quote exemplifies IRC culture. Bash.org is not IRC or IRC culture, despite being built on IRC logs.
      - fennecfoxy 4y ago
        Votes are skewed because the demographic is skewed. But the sentiments remain the same in all groups. Just because one group speaks loudly about hate doesn't mean the quiet group doesn't hate. But it doesn't mean they do, either. It's a complex topic that would require considerable research, rather than all parties skimming.
  - dude187 4y ago
    > the third one is definitely an example of anti-Blackness, not anti-whiteness. Why do you capitalize the b but not the w?
- John23832 4y ago
  None of that is good? That's the point.
- bigfoot675 4y ago
  You're just proving their point -- these types of communities follow "Internet chat" trends which includes toxicity to literally everyone. Minorities are affected most by this dynamic. By moving the discussions "above ground", we force the discussions to use professional etiquette, and move the conversation closer to where it can have actual impact
busterarm 4y ago
anything on bash.org is pretty solidly mid->late era IRC, not "early IRC" as was discussed above. "Early IRC" ends with The Great Split (ircnet fork). Heck, most of Early IRC is extremely Euro-centric even.
- PuppyTailWags 4y ago
  ngl the implication that something happened in the world of irc that turned it from this apolitical, progressive utopia to a jew-joke, rape-joke, -ism-everywhere cesspool is fascinating and please tell me more about it, not sarcastic
  - busterarm 4y ago
    IRC back in those days was more oriented towards central/northern european university students...specifically nerds. In the 90s, they mostly would have been talking about lan parties, actual parties, drinking, drugs, software/media piracy, etc. As we did. I don't know how much of a cesspool it would have been back then as IRCOps back in that day were famously proactive, thin-skinned and intolerant of divisive bullshit. Generally trolls were k-lined quickly. Especially because operating a server then was an individual's labour of love and not using large, corporate resources. Server operators had to keep trash off their server in order to stay in their network. Individual servers could only handle _hundreds_ of connected users. It was neither utopian, nor progressive. It was ruthless, impersonal and dog-eat-dog. The shift towards what it is now was that the resources to operate a network became absurdly cheap and caring about who was on your network and doing what went completely out the window.
fennecfoxy 4y ago
Tbh there are communities that refuse to stop using homophobic slurs, especially the rap community with which the black community is heavily involved (see T.I. defending Dababy's homophobic rant "If Lil Nas X can kick his shit in peace… so should DaBaby" ie if people can be gay then people should be able to be homophobic). Pretty despicable considering these people likely have incredibly personal experiences with being victims of x-isms. Realistically it shows that we (humans) still have much to learn about treating each other equally. Why can't we just be good to each other. :/

jakelazaroff 4y ago

Wow, forgot about bash.org but that's a good reference to pull. Definitely a microcosm of IRC culture at the time.

drstewart 4y ago

Wow, solid resource: http://bash.org/?121764 http://bash.org/?121764 ><p00p> why do you crackers steal everything from us? http://bash.org/?51331 http://bash.org/?51331 >(@virt) cracker barrel is the most hilarious name for a place where a bunch of white people go http://bash.org/?86009 http://bash.org/?86009 ><Gabe> It's sad when white people try to talk like black inner city people. It's doubly sad when those white people are European. :P Incredibly virulent anti-whiteness. Thank you for posting this to open our eyes to this.

jakelazaroff 4y ago
The fact that these are so low-ranking compared to the top quotes is instructive. Also, the third one is definitely an example of anti-Blackness, not anti-whiteness.
- drstewart 4y ago
  Low ranking based on what? Are you telling people what feelings they should have towards slurs directed towards them? The "top quotes" don't bother me at all, for example.
  - jakelazaroff 4y ago
    Low ranking based on the number of votes they got. That's the green (or red) number in parentheses between the plus and minus signs. The top 100 quotes range from 9,000 to 41,000. If I refresh random a few times, the most common number of votes seems to be in the mid-100s, which is exactly where these fall. So the fact that - you had to search to find a couple low ranking quotes that might be insulting to white people - there are numerous top ranking quotes that might be insulting to women, gay people, black people, etc - those top quotes don't bother you supports OP's point and undermines your own.
    - MacsHeadroom 4y ago
      Votes have no relation to how much any quote exemplifies IRC culture. Bash.org is not IRC or IRC culture, despite being built on IRC logs.
    - fennecfoxy 4y ago
      Votes are skewed because the demographic is skewed. But the sentiments remain the same in all groups. Just because one group speaks loudly about hate doesn't mean the quiet group doesn't hate. But it doesn't mean they do, either. It's a complex topic that would require considerable research, rather than all parties skimming.
- dude187 4y ago
  > the third one is definitely an example of anti-Blackness, not anti-whiteness. Why do you capitalize the b but not the w?
John23832 4y ago
None of that is good? That's the point.
bigfoot675 4y ago
You're just proving their point -- these types of communities follow "Internet chat" trends which includes toxicity to literally everyone. Minorities are affected most by this dynamic. By moving the discussions "above ground", we force the discussions to use professional etiquette, and move the conversation closer to where it can have actual impact

busterarm 4y ago

anything on bash.org is pretty solidly mid->late era IRC, not "early IRC" as was discussed above. "Early IRC" ends with The Great Split (ircnet fork). Heck, most of Early IRC is extremely Euro-centric even.

PuppyTailWags 4y ago
ngl the implication that something happened in the world of irc that turned it from this apolitical, progressive utopia to a jew-joke, rape-joke, -ism-everywhere cesspool is fascinating and please tell me more about it, not sarcastic
- busterarm 4y ago
  IRC back in those days was more oriented towards central/northern european university students...specifically nerds. In the 90s, they mostly would have been talking about lan parties, actual parties, drinking, drugs, software/media piracy, etc. As we did. I don't know how much of a cesspool it would have been back then as IRCOps back in that day were famously proactive, thin-skinned and intolerant of divisive bullshit. Generally trolls were k-lined quickly. Especially because operating a server then was an individual's labour of love and not using large, corporate resources. Server operators had to keep trash off their server in order to stay in their network. Individual servers could only handle _hundreds_ of connected users. It was neither utopian, nor progressive. It was ruthless, impersonal and dog-eat-dog. The shift towards what it is now was that the resources to operate a network became absurdly cheap and caring about who was on your network and doing what went completely out the window.

fennecfoxy 4y ago

Tbh there are communities that refuse to stop using homophobic slurs, especially the rap community with which the black community is heavily involved (see T.I. defending Dababy's homophobic rant "If Lil Nas X can kick his shit in peace… so should DaBaby" ie if people can be gay then people should be able to be homophobic). Pretty despicable considering these people likely have incredibly personal experiences with being victims of x-isms. Realistically it shows that we (humans) still have much to learn about treating each other equally. Why can't we just be good to each other. :/