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I wish we would transcend to a point where we look up to people based on their achievements and separate their race from it. I’m Asian btw. I can relate to Leb

• HideousKojima 4y ago
  I always get confused when people say they need to have people who look like them in prominent roles in order to feel welcome in a hobby/career/whatever. I'm a fan of boxing, and my favorite boxer is a black Muslim. I do some hobby-level game dev on the side, and most of my favorite devs that I look up to are Japanese. Young black men seem to disproportionately love Dragon Ball Z, with an Asian-appearing main character based on the Chinese epic Journey to the West whose hair turns blond when he gets angry and powers up.
  • BeFlatXIII 4y ago
    Not sure why your comment was greyed-out when I saw it. Voting patterns are truly bizarre and disconnected from truth.
    • alocasia-1 4y ago
      Probably because there is no shortage of white boxers, and an observation about black people liking a cartoon isn't all that relevant?
  • balls187 4y ago
    Are you truly confused or is it that you choosen not to listen to the reasons “people” have for finding value in representation? Does your comment mean that because your human experience is different than other people that you find it difficult to understand how others may think and feel differently than you?
  • strawpeople 4y ago
    If you are someone who has experienced personally harmful racism (e.g. a black boy getting in trouble at school for things that white boys routinely get away with), then it is helpful to see a counterexample of what is possible in society for someone who has the same potential to be targeted by discrimination.
  • 0_____0 4y ago
    Assuming you’re white and male: there are loads of white boxers and game devs! And you probably know some of them! Think about how men feel about traditionally femme activities which may be stigmatized for hetero men. If you see even one other straight man get their nails done at a salon it sort of implicitly opens that door to you.
    • balls187 4y ago
      Not sure about getting a manicure, but speaking as a hetero man, getting a pedicure is amazing and I recommend every person with the means to, try it once.
      • 0_____0 4y ago
        I was hoping someone would chime in with this!
  • excerionsforte 4y ago
    Dragon Ball Z was introduced into lower income neighborhoods via Cartoon Network among many other anime, so it was hard to miss. It was pretty hard to miss Pokemon, Dragon Ball Z and etc. in elementary school especially with the merch kids brought to school. Marketing, re-runs and perceived coolness/epicness, I'd say drove the continued popularity of it. Once you hit high school and college though, Dragon Ball Z/Pokemon are niche and less visible (it stopped being cool and a relic of age) at least that was my experience in low income neighborhood. DBZ is still awesome because of its familarity, but not something I will watch intentionally. Goku being Japanese and loved by people of lower income is like how Final Fantasy 7 is beloved in predominately white (western) countries. There's still discussions of people thinking Cloud Strife is white even though he is Japanese. Race, in general, isn't a big deal when you are younger since it is not taught in schools (shockingly to some people :O). It becomes an issue when people actively start generalizing and using tropes for the purposes to make you feel like shit (in)directly.
    • YurgenJurgensen 4y ago
      There's no country called 'Japan' in Final Fantasy VII, so I don't know why you're so confidently stating that. The closest analogue is Wutai, and Cloud's not from there.
    • balls187 4y ago
      Cloud isn't Japanese. He is a fictional character from a fictional planet. And Goku isn't Japanese either; he is Saiyan, an Alien race. > Race, in general, isn't a big deal when you are younger It isn't a big deal, if you're not impacted by it (colloquially known today as 'privilege'). However, what you might not believe is a big deal, is arguably a big deal to other people. A few examples: You may not be aware that black women in the US are 3-times more likely to pregnancy related issues than white women. There is a downstream impact on the children of those women. [1] Separately, there still exists a serious gap in achievement for Alaska Native / American Indian children. 1: https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/features/maternal-mortality/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/healthequity/features/maternal-mortality... 2: https://www.nsba.org/ASBJ/2020/December/condition-native-american-students https://www.nsba.org/ASBJ/2020/December/condition-native-ame...
• avip 4y ago
  It's also funny to use the term "Asian". I'm also "Asian" (from Israel). There are hundreds of completely non-related ethnical groups in this vast continent.
  • goatlover 4y ago
    Yeah, and what do you call a white Siberian? A large part of Russia is in Asia as well. Asia must have the most ethnic groups, along with the largest population, but somehow they're all one race to the West.
    • anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      You call a white Siberian a Russian, and Russia wasn't considered part of the orient by US immigration law back in the day.
  • foolinaround 4y ago
    Asian has a different meaning in US Tech circles. I found that out, when I arrived in this country, and was informed that Indians are their own groups, and Asians referred to Chinese and Koreans (and others). The 'Asian' tag is a clear racist way, determined by the way one looks.
  • DrThunder 4y ago
    It's because certain terms to explain other parts of Asia have been deemed not pc.
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• busterarm 4y ago
  It's interesting to me seeing all asians and pacific islanders lumped together and excluded from most DEI efforts because HR departments think there's too many of you already and that you're too white-adjacent. Seems like blatant racism to me.
  • AustinDev 4y ago
    Pro-tip DEI is, by definition, a racist endeavor.
  • mixmastamyk 4y ago
    Also doesn't ever mention ageism, even in lip-service or passing.
• domain8543 4y ago
  Lebron's struggles as a black man in America are a huge part of his success story. Not just that he's excellent at what he does. Pretending that race doesn't exist does not actually work in practice. LeBron himself will tell you that.
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  • goatlover 4y ago
    Lebron plays in a league that's majority black in the footsteps of Michael Jordan, who was the most famous athlete on the planet and on the way to being a billionaire and owner. Lebron was anointed Jordan's heir while still in high school, and he got drafted straight into the NBA with the #1 overall pick. He's had numerous huge endorsements over his career. Exactly how did he struggle as a basketball player? White Men Can't Jump was a 90s movie, and back in the 80s, Bird was a the great white hope as redneck from Indiana, because the top players were mostly black, and Bird was even called out as unathletic by Dennis Rodman and Isaiah Thomas after he won a playoff game over them in Detroit.
    • domain8543 4y ago
      I said his struggles as a black man. As in being raised in poverty in the midwest (not a lot of opportunity for people of his background) and having no real shot at success in America other than selling his body.
      • GameOfFrowns 4y ago
        >having no real shot at success in America other than selling his body. Selling his body? Are you serious? He wouldn't have been able to become a cop, a nurse, a clerk, a financial professional or any of the other thousands of professions that black people in the midwest find themselves in? LeBron's struggles seem less part of his success story and more part of a self-penned "rags to riches" legend.
      • goatlover 4y ago
• DrThunder 4y ago
  This is exactly the way normal anti-racism was up until recently. It's how MLK wanted it to be and it's pretty much how the US was treating it up until the last decade. Somehow we've switched in the last few years to the point where skin color and/or specific race is the MOST important attribute someone has. Diversity based on skin color is absolutely asinine. You can have a multitude of poc in one room but if their backgrounds and the groups they associate with are all the same, then their thinking is all going to be alike.
  • dcow 4y ago
    People are impatient. Changes that take a few generations to notice are too slow. Instant gains now now now. We learned identity politics worked for LGBTQIA so we deployed them for BIPOC as well. The ends justified the means. The ends are undefined.
  • ejstronge 4y ago
    From a very sincere position, can you link to your sources for 'how MLK wanted it to be' and 'how the US was treating' DEI? Unless we were all in the same positions within our careers since the time of MLK to now (and I'll also ignore some other confounders, like the fact that many black Americans could not easily attend college in the time of MLK), I wonder whether a recency bias may explain the differences you are reporting.
    • DrThunder 4y ago
      A link to sources? Really? Come on man, you've got to do a little work yourself here. All you need to do is read what DEI is striving to do and listen to MLK's "I have a dream" speech when he specifically states he doesn't want a society where we judge the character of people on skin color but instead merit. This is something you should have learned in elementary school if you're an American. Are you trying to claim this isn't the case? Explain to me how making everything equitable and inclusive for specific class oppressed poc isn't basing things on skin color vs. merit? This is a logical test, not one that needs sources. Here's another test for you - explain how you make everyone equitable without lowering the higher achievers in society down to the average? Do you think it's possible to make under-achievers the same intelligence, physical capability as higher-achieving people?
• dcow 4y ago
  In the 90s we did this.