> can I also add that they suck for business too? The slim form factor has NO place in business, slimming down the chassis and removing ports is an anti-pattern

> can I also add that they suck for business too? The slim form factor has NO place in business, slimming down the chassis and removing ports is an anti-pattern Define "business"? A salesperson that frequently travels to customers needs a thin laptop more than they need a powerful one. The opposite is true for a developer that would need more power but doesn't require the best GPU and screen, which a design person probably does. Dell offer all sorts of laptops fitting each of those use cases (unlike say Apple where e.g. the screen is non-negotiable).