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I was talking to a black woman friend about DEI recently. As a white man, I can't really share any of our discussions. But we both agree'd the whole thing does

by taude 4y ago

I was talking to a black woman friend about DEI recently. As a white man, I can't really share any of our discussions. But we both agree'd the whole thing does more damage than benefit to an org, especially the people, etc. My friend also added the slant of her escape from generational poverty, and the decisions she made in her life that her siblings, didn't. I wish she could come into companies and have an honest conversation about it.

pnutjam 4y ago
Another angle, are you certain this person was comfortable having a real conversation with you? PoC are very accustomed to bending with the wind and playing their cards close to their chest. I know it's only caused me grief to speak out.
- alphabettsy 4y ago
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  - taude 4y ago
    Not claiming to be good. But I will say most my white friends don't actually engage with this conversations, nor do they even have friends of color, so....whatever. EDIT: BTW, I was only offering opinion to support what the OP was feeling and saying.
    - pnutjam 4y ago
      I was not intending to denigrate you, just opening up another possibility that could be overlooked. People in tech say question your assumptions, right?
      - alphabettsy 4y ago
        The prevailing HN demographic doesn’t want their assumptions on diversity and race questioned. The opinions and views of minorities are only acceptable and elevated on HN when they support the existing views that maintain the status quo or revert to some inaccurate remembrance of a better past. Compare the comments and upvotes of this post to any of those discussing experiences with racism or lack of diversity.
  - exohell 4y ago
    Wow, so when a POC says something you don't agree with, you're rationalizing it by saying they can't possibly mean what they're saying. As a disabled POC immigrant who was born in a refugee camp, please believe me when I tell you: DEI is hot garbage, and it's full of people like you who refuse to take POC at their words.
    - pnutjam 4y ago
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by taude 4y ago

pnutjam 4y ago

Another angle, are you certain this person was comfortable having a real conversation with you? PoC are very accustomed to bending with the wind and playing their cards close to their chest. I know it's only caused me grief to speak out.

alphabettsy 4y ago
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- taude 4y ago
  Not claiming to be good. But I will say most my white friends don't actually engage with this conversations, nor do they even have friends of color, so....whatever. EDIT: BTW, I was only offering opinion to support what the OP was feeling and saying.
  - pnutjam 4y ago
    I was not intending to denigrate you, just opening up another possibility that could be overlooked. People in tech say question your assumptions, right?
    - alphabettsy 4y ago
      The prevailing HN demographic doesn’t want their assumptions on diversity and race questioned. The opinions and views of minorities are only acceptable and elevated on HN when they support the existing views that maintain the status quo or revert to some inaccurate remembrance of a better past. Compare the comments and upvotes of this post to any of those discussing experiences with racism or lack of diversity.
- exohell 4y ago
  Wow, so when a POC says something you don't agree with, you're rationalizing it by saying they can't possibly mean what they're saying. As a disabled POC immigrant who was born in a refugee camp, please believe me when I tell you: DEI is hot garbage, and it's full of people like you who refuse to take POC at their words.
  - pnutjam 4y ago
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