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Just let the damn scientists study the evidence and keep your opinions to yourself, damn. You obviously have a huge bias against studying things that are curren

Just let the damn scientists study the evidence and keep your opinions to yourself, damn. You obviously have a huge bias against studying things that are currently unexplained, so you're not helping the conversation. Keep that in the back of your head.

scotty79 4y ago
Solid scientists: Immunologist that thinks he saw UFO: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan Guy who thought Oumuamua is alien spaceship (gathered evidence gives exactly zero reasons to think that): https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Loeb-2206854079 https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Lo... Theoretical physicist with his head deep in things like Alcubierre drive that appears from Einstein's equations when applied to such things as negative mass (which doesn't exist) without acknowledging that quantum mechanics exists. He was also hired by Pentagon to investigate UFOs. Nothing came of it, but he had every incentive to make stuff up to keep his job. Which he was eventually fired from when it closed, but he claims it wasn't closed and he still works there. He also claimed they got some materials of alien origin they couldn't identify. Claim that has zero backing. And he can't even come clean that he lied because that would mean government could sue him for fraud. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 I see how those three are superbly equipped to validate or falsify claims of some Airforce pilots. /s Basically 3 believers with some accidental degrees including some with vested interest in continuation of UFO research. Why am I against it? I just hate bs that poisons minds of so many people giving them some false sense of superiority for "having open minds" and forefront knowledge. I know it's hard to be confronted with information that undermines your belief. It can be painful. But it's worth it. Freedom from bs waits on the other side of this path. And having accurate model of reality and yourself matters.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  All you do is take one point from each of their accomplishments out of context and refute their entire credibility. Gary Nolan is the one of the premiere immunologists and pathologists in the world. He has created multiple multi-million dollar companies. He was asked by the CIA to perform scans on people who had been encountered UAP and had health effects or death. Avi Loeb is a renowned Harvard astrophysicist. Yes, he is studying Oumuamua because it was the first object outside our solar system to come by Earth. It also had an extremely odd shape and a trajectory that does not seem natural. He's simply hypothesized that it could be some kind of ET probing device passing Earth, but he's not definitively said so. All he's saying is no other physicist has come up with a proper explanation for what Oumuamua was, and so he wants to study other interstellar objects that come near by. Eric Davis has been working for DoD for almost 3 decades. He's well known within the defense space to being an incredibly intelligent human being. You can't just take one piece of their history and dismiss their entire credibility. What are your credentials that make you so important to dismiss these people as insane for just studying this phenomenon?
  - scotty79 4y ago
    All of my credentials is that I learned a bit of physics and I read a bit of SF and I can tell one from the other. If it was about existence of leprechauns and effects of meeting them you'd have no problem dismissing it as well regardless of how accomplished people would be interested in the subject. And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns suddenly there's a problem and you need credentials because ufologists made their belief sound sciency. I know that those 3 scientists are accomplished people in their respective, unassociated fields. For various definitions of the word "accomplished". But I'd much rather see a psychiatrist and plane surveillance device constructor/tester and possibly a magician or a con artist investigating those documents coming out of DoD first than three avid ufologists. In my opinion it might be way more productive and brilliant immunologist could stick to doing good work in immunology, astrophysicist could research new insights in astrophysics that is actually very promising field, and ex DoD employee very theoretical physicist might continue his mid life crisis or whatever he's doing. But rest assured, the research is going on. Good news for you: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-try-to-get-serious-about-studying-ufos-good-luck-with-that/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-try-to... I'll just be bitter for the waste of research power for the next few years before it goes away. As it always did. Maybe they'll even get the funding becuse eyes up the sky might be useful: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones...
    - likeabbas 4y ago
      You put that so wonderfully. The DoD and other scientists should absolutely stop investing things that are hovering over their naval ships and nuclear silos just because a man on hacker news would rather see other people investigating them. Your credentials having read a bit of physics are so, so helpful. Please, help the rest of the feeble planet with your intellect because you are truly the one person who knows what is worth investigating and what isn't. > And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns That is absolutely false. The 3 navy videos have enough evidence behind them to show UAP are real and exhibiting interesting flight characteristics. You are denying hard evidence - for what reason I don't know.

scotty79 4y ago

Solid scientists: Immunologist that thinks he saw UFO: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan Guy who thought Oumuamua is alien spaceship (gathered evidence gives exactly zero reasons to think that): https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Loeb-2206854079 https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Lo... Theoretical physicist with his head deep in things like Alcubierre drive that appears from Einstein's equations when applied to such things as negative mass (which doesn't exist) without acknowledging that quantum mechanics exists. He was also hired by Pentagon to investigate UFOs. Nothing came of it, but he had every incentive to make stuff up to keep his job. Which he was eventually fired from when it closed, but he claims it wasn't closed and he still works there. He also claimed they got some materials of alien origin they couldn't identify. Claim that has zero backing. And he can't even come clean that he lied because that would mean government could sue him for fraud. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 I see how those three are superbly equipped to validate or falsify claims of some Airforce pilots. /s Basically 3 believers with some accidental degrees including some with vested interest in continuation of UFO research. Why am I against it? I just hate bs that poisons minds of so many people giving them some false sense of superiority for "having open minds" and forefront knowledge. I know it's hard to be confronted with information that undermines your belief. It can be painful. But it's worth it. Freedom from bs waits on the other side of this path. And having accurate model of reality and yourself matters.

likeabbas 4y ago
All you do is take one point from each of their accomplishments out of context and refute their entire credibility. Gary Nolan is the one of the premiere immunologists and pathologists in the world. He has created multiple multi-million dollar companies. He was asked by the CIA to perform scans on people who had been encountered UAP and had health effects or death. Avi Loeb is a renowned Harvard astrophysicist. Yes, he is studying Oumuamua because it was the first object outside our solar system to come by Earth. It also had an extremely odd shape and a trajectory that does not seem natural. He's simply hypothesized that it could be some kind of ET probing device passing Earth, but he's not definitively said so. All he's saying is no other physicist has come up with a proper explanation for what Oumuamua was, and so he wants to study other interstellar objects that come near by. Eric Davis has been working for DoD for almost 3 decades. He's well known within the defense space to being an incredibly intelligent human being. You can't just take one piece of their history and dismiss their entire credibility. What are your credentials that make you so important to dismiss these people as insane for just studying this phenomenon?
- scotty79 4y ago
  All of my credentials is that I learned a bit of physics and I read a bit of SF and I can tell one from the other. If it was about existence of leprechauns and effects of meeting them you'd have no problem dismissing it as well regardless of how accomplished people would be interested in the subject. And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns suddenly there's a problem and you need credentials because ufologists made their belief sound sciency. I know that those 3 scientists are accomplished people in their respective, unassociated fields. For various definitions of the word "accomplished". But I'd much rather see a psychiatrist and plane surveillance device constructor/tester and possibly a magician or a con artist investigating those documents coming out of DoD first than three avid ufologists. In my opinion it might be way more productive and brilliant immunologist could stick to doing good work in immunology, astrophysicist could research new insights in astrophysics that is actually very promising field, and ex DoD employee very theoretical physicist might continue his mid life crisis or whatever he's doing. But rest assured, the research is going on. Good news for you: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-try-to-get-serious-about-studying-ufos-good-luck-with-that/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-try-to... I'll just be bitter for the waste of research power for the next few years before it goes away. As it always did. Maybe they'll even get the funding becuse eyes up the sky might be useful: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones-are-spying-on-the-u-s-and-the-pentagon-acts-like-theyre-ufos https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40054/adversary-drones...
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    You put that so wonderfully. The DoD and other scientists should absolutely stop investing things that are hovering over their naval ships and nuclear silos just because a man on hacker news would rather see other people investigating them. Your credentials having read a bit of physics are so, so helpful. Please, help the rest of the feeble planet with your intellect because you are truly the one person who knows what is worth investigating and what isn't. > And if it's UFO which has exactly the same amount of confirmed evidence as leprechauns That is absolutely false. The 3 navy videos have enough evidence behind them to show UAP are real and exhibiting interesting flight characteristics. You are denying hard evidence - for what reason I don't know.