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I can use a 4$ VPS for my own personal cloud. I will never pay 45$ for that. There's a whole band of people who have the technical chops to self-host, or host

by rakoo 4y ago

I can use a 4$ VPS for my own personal cloud. I will never pay 45$ for that. There's a whole band of people who have the technical chops to self-host, or host little instances for their family/friends/association/hiking club. This small margin where you're ok to spend a little extra because you want to make it proper, but you can't justify paying so much and spend time doing hard maintenance. A small VPS, with a shared Nextcloud or a small website, is all that's needed in many cases.

codazoda 4y ago
> host little instances for their family/friends/association/hiking club For this I even use a little Raspberry Pi 400 in my bedroom. https://joeldare.com/private-analtyics-and-my-raspberry-pi-400 https://joeldare.com/private-analtyics-and-my-raspberry-pi-4...
- dmonitor 4y ago
  I would like to hide my IP address in case an internet rando wants to ddos, though
  - mynameisvlad 4y ago
    How realistic is this concern? Like actually? I’ve self hosted my own stuff for close to a decade now. Nobody has tried DDoSing my setup, because why would they? What benefit would they possibly get out of it? I would be pretty much the only person affected, and once they stop it wouldn’t take long to recover. There is little to no incentive to DDoS a personal box, let alone by a “internet rando”.
    - bruce343434 4y ago
      Having played games online: what they gain could be as stupid as "haha I inconvenienced you because you pissed me off"
      - mynameisvlad 4y ago
        The chance of meeting someone online that’s that immature and spiteful, and at the same time possesses enough knowledge to successfully execute a DDoS attack is infinitesimally small.
        xen2xen1 4y ago
        Umm, you don't.. Umm, do you know any teenagers?
        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        > enough knowledge to successfully execute a DDoS attack You are drastically overestimating a teen's abilities. Just pinging the IP over and over again isn't really going to do much. Maybe a DoS attack depending on what the target network has in terms of IPS, but even then it's more likely they'll infect their computers with viruses before they get the chance to actually attack you.
        dns_snek 4y ago
        On the contrary, you're vastly underestimating the availability of various "booting" and "IP stressing" services that sell a 30 minute 1Gbps+ DDoS attack to anyone for $5. Launching a DDoS attack is just as easy, if not easier than, signing up for Netflix. A simple search for "IP stresser" should yield dozens if not hundreds of results. I've personally been on the receiving end of one of those for somehow pissing off a cheater in GTA 5. It definitely happens and it's not fun.
        johnthreevolts 4y ago
        I've remember when I've played Rust, year or two ago on public server. Some kid was mad, because thought that some one was cheating. He managed to DOS that server. And globally it doesn't sound hard: google -> ddos > low orbit ion canon(as one of the most famous) -> fire in the hole! Especially if you are dumb enough to just run that tool as is, without any tries to hide your own personality.
    - dmonitor 4y ago
      there’s also the concern of finding where i live from my ip. i like to keep some level of privacy among my online friends.
  - tenacious_tuna 4y ago
    I use a Digital Ocean vm as a public-facing reverse proxy with a Wireguard tunnel back to my homelab, where everything is actually hosted.
    - codazoda 4y ago
      That’s interesting. Do use a dynamic IP at home in this case or static? If it’s dynamic, what does the update process look like? Edit: It looks like this might be automatic. This is something interesting I should look into a bit. It’s probably just extra complexity for my little server, but I’ve got some uses in mind.
      - dvdkon 4y ago
        I do something similar, the actual server connects to the tunnel VPS, not the other way around. The server doesn't actually have a public IP address.
      - tenacious_tuna 4y ago
        like dvdkon says, only the VPS has a static public address, and my homelab reaches out to keep the tunnel alive. Tehcnically my homelab is also on a static public IP as well--this was more an exercise in "could I do this" than "actually necessary," but it's still cool as hell and I'm very happy. About the only hangup was I had to configure Wireguard to keep the tunnel alive, otherwise sometimes the VPS would receive incoming traffic and if my lab hadn't reached out in a while (which, why would it?) the tunnel would be down, and the proxy connection would die. Thankfully that's built-in functionality.
- rambambram 4y ago
  Got an RSS feed for your new blog?
  - codazoda 4y ago
    No, unfortunately I haven’t built an RSS feed for my blog. I thought RSS was dead, but I’ve noticed a resurgence lately. My blog is a big collection of markdown files these days. I don’t even run the static site generator myself, just using whatever default Jekyll magic GitHub Pages does. Maybe this is something I should get to soon.
    - disposition2 4y ago
      It looks like this [1] plugin [2] is supported in jekyll / GitHub pages [3]. So, it seems like adding RSS / Atom feeds on a jekyll or GitHub pages site is pretty straightforward. 1. https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-feed https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-feed 2. https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll/about-github-pages-and-jekyll#plugins https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-s... 3. https://pages.github.com/versions/ https://pages.github.com/versions/
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ThatMedicIsASpy 4y ago
I pay 6euro for a root (ovh/kimsufi). atom 2c/4t, 4gb ram, 1tb drive, 100mbit A few years of uptime at this point
- intelVISA 4y ago
  Same. Really good value if I'm honest!
- fuzzy2 4y ago
  > A few years of uptime at this point If uninterrupted: some upgrade may be due. ;-) Kernel security updates are a thing. --- I found Atoms to be unbearably slow, even with Linux. Of course it’s enough for serving websites and whatnot, but it’s baffling how much power they use just… not performing.
  - z3t4 4y ago
    You get a lot for the bucks, good luck finding a VPS with those spec for less. And the power cunsumtion is the DC problem - maybe they run on solar, wind, hydro...
  - ThatMedicIsASpy 4y ago
    It isn't uninterrupted but since it's Ubuntu 18.04 I have to move on till April.
PragmaticPulp 4y ago
> I can use a 4$ VPS for my own personal cloud. I will never pay 45$ for that. Exactly. These sub-$10 VPS instances are great for small projects where you don't want to enter into long contracts or deal with managing your own servers. If you're running an actual business where margins are razor-thin and you've got all the free time in the world to handle server issues if (when) they come up, those ~$50 dedicated servers could be interesting to explore. But if you're running an actual business, even a $10,000/month AWS bill is cheaper than hiring another skilled developer to help manage your dedicated servers. This is what's generally missed in discussions about cloud costs on places like HN: Yes, cloud is expensive, but hiring even a single additional sysadmin/developer to help you manage custom infrastructure is incredibly expensive and much less flexible. That's why spending a hypothetical $5000/month on a cloud hosted solution that could, in theory, be custom-built on a $50/month server with enough time investment can still be a great deal. Engineers are expensive and time is limited.
- bruce343434 4y ago
  > But if you're running an actual business, even a $10,000/month AWS bill is cheaper than hiring another skilled developer to help manage your dedicated servers. Uhhh, excuse me but how much are you paying this DevOps guy? This seems like a very American perspective, even valley area. In Europe, hiring a guy would be cheaper.
  - baq 4y ago
    Where do you find these people you say are available for hire in Europe? I see scarcely little
    - dijit 4y ago
      plenty. how much do you want to pay and what skills in particular. I can hook you up in about 3 hours.
  - PragmaticPulp 4y ago
    > Uhhh, excuse me but how much are you paying this DevOps guy? This seems like a very American perspective, even valley area. In Europe, hiring a guy would be cheaper. Fully loaded employment costs are significantly higher than what you take home in your paycheck. It's actually worse in Europe. Take a look at these charts: https://accace.com/the-true-cost-of-an-employee-in-europe/ https://accace.com/the-true-cost-of-an-employee-in-europe/ If you pay someone 1000 EUR in the UK, it costs the company a total of 1245 EUR. If you pay someone 1000 EUR in Romania, it costs the company 1747 EUR total. So a $120,000 fully loaded cost might only buy you at $68,000 USD salary for an EU devops person. But you can't have just one devops person. You need at least 2 if you want to allow one of them to ever take a break, get sick, or go on vacation.

by rakoo 4y ago

codazoda 4y ago

> host little instances for their family/friends/association/hiking club For this I even use a little Raspberry Pi 400 in my bedroom. https://joeldare.com/private-analtyics-and-my-raspberry-pi-400 https://joeldare.com/private-analtyics-and-my-raspberry-pi-4...

dmonitor 4y ago
I would like to hide my IP address in case an internet rando wants to ddos, though
- mynameisvlad 4y ago
  How realistic is this concern? Like actually? I’ve self hosted my own stuff for close to a decade now. Nobody has tried DDoSing my setup, because why would they? What benefit would they possibly get out of it? I would be pretty much the only person affected, and once they stop it wouldn’t take long to recover. There is little to no incentive to DDoS a personal box, let alone by a “internet rando”.
  - bruce343434 4y ago
    Having played games online: what they gain could be as stupid as "haha I inconvenienced you because you pissed me off"
    - mynameisvlad 4y ago
      The chance of meeting someone online that’s that immature and spiteful, and at the same time possesses enough knowledge to successfully execute a DDoS attack is infinitesimally small.
      - xen2xen1 4y ago
        Umm, you don't.. Umm, do you know any teenagers?
        mynameisvlad 4y ago
        > enough knowledge to successfully execute a DDoS attack You are drastically overestimating a teen's abilities. Just pinging the IP over and over again isn't really going to do much. Maybe a DoS attack depending on what the target network has in terms of IPS, but even then it's more likely they'll infect their computers with viruses before they get the chance to actually attack you.
        dns_snek 4y ago
        On the contrary, you're vastly underestimating the availability of various "booting" and "IP stressing" services that sell a 30 minute 1Gbps+ DDoS attack to anyone for $5. Launching a DDoS attack is just as easy, if not easier than, signing up for Netflix. A simple search for "IP stresser" should yield dozens if not hundreds of results. I've personally been on the receiving end of one of those for somehow pissing off a cheater in GTA 5. It definitely happens and it's not fun.
        johnthreevolts 4y ago
        I've remember when I've played Rust, year or two ago on public server. Some kid was mad, because thought that some one was cheating. He managed to DOS that server. And globally it doesn't sound hard: google -> ddos > low orbit ion canon(as one of the most famous) -> fire in the hole! Especially if you are dumb enough to just run that tool as is, without any tries to hide your own personality.
  - dmonitor 4y ago
    there’s also the concern of finding where i live from my ip. i like to keep some level of privacy among my online friends.
- tenacious_tuna 4y ago
  I use a Digital Ocean vm as a public-facing reverse proxy with a Wireguard tunnel back to my homelab, where everything is actually hosted.
  - codazoda 4y ago
    That’s interesting. Do use a dynamic IP at home in this case or static? If it’s dynamic, what does the update process look like? Edit: It looks like this might be automatic. This is something interesting I should look into a bit. It’s probably just extra complexity for my little server, but I’ve got some uses in mind.
    - dvdkon 4y ago
      I do something similar, the actual server connects to the tunnel VPS, not the other way around. The server doesn't actually have a public IP address.
    - tenacious_tuna 4y ago
      like dvdkon says, only the VPS has a static public address, and my homelab reaches out to keep the tunnel alive. Tehcnically my homelab is also on a static public IP as well--this was more an exercise in "could I do this" than "actually necessary," but it's still cool as hell and I'm very happy. About the only hangup was I had to configure Wireguard to keep the tunnel alive, otherwise sometimes the VPS would receive incoming traffic and if my lab hadn't reached out in a while (which, why would it?) the tunnel would be down, and the proxy connection would die. Thankfully that's built-in functionality.
rambambram 4y ago
Got an RSS feed for your new blog?
- codazoda 4y ago
  No, unfortunately I haven’t built an RSS feed for my blog. I thought RSS was dead, but I’ve noticed a resurgence lately. My blog is a big collection of markdown files these days. I don’t even run the static site generator myself, just using whatever default Jekyll magic GitHub Pages does. Maybe this is something I should get to soon.
  - disposition2 4y ago
    It looks like this [1] plugin [2] is supported in jekyll / GitHub pages [3]. So, it seems like adding RSS / Atom feeds on a jekyll or GitHub pages site is pretty straightforward. 1. https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-feed https://github.com/jekyll/jekyll-feed 2. https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-site-with-jekyll/about-github-pages-and-jekyll#plugins https://docs.github.com/en/pages/setting-up-a-github-pages-s... 3. https://pages.github.com/versions/ https://pages.github.com/versions/
- deleted 4y ago
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ThatMedicIsASpy 4y ago

I pay 6euro for a root (ovh/kimsufi). atom 2c/4t, 4gb ram, 1tb drive, 100mbit A few years of uptime at this point

intelVISA 4y ago
Same. Really good value if I'm honest!
fuzzy2 4y ago
> A few years of uptime at this point If uninterrupted: some upgrade may be due. ;-) Kernel security updates are a thing. --- I found Atoms to be unbearably slow, even with Linux. Of course it’s enough for serving websites and whatnot, but it’s baffling how much power they use just… not performing.
- z3t4 4y ago
  You get a lot for the bucks, good luck finding a VPS with those spec for less. And the power cunsumtion is the DC problem - maybe they run on solar, wind, hydro...
- ThatMedicIsASpy 4y ago
  It isn't uninterrupted but since it's Ubuntu 18.04 I have to move on till April.

PragmaticPulp 4y ago

> I can use a 4$ VPS for my own personal cloud. I will never pay 45$ for that. Exactly. These sub-$10 VPS instances are great for small projects where you don't want to enter into long contracts or deal with managing your own servers. If you're running an actual business where margins are razor-thin and you've got all the free time in the world to handle server issues if (when) they come up, those ~$50 dedicated servers could be interesting to explore. But if you're running an actual business, even a $10,000/month AWS bill is cheaper than hiring another skilled developer to help manage your dedicated servers. This is what's generally missed in discussions about cloud costs on places like HN: Yes, cloud is expensive, but hiring even a single additional sysadmin/developer to help you manage custom infrastructure is incredibly expensive and much less flexible. That's why spending a hypothetical $5000/month on a cloud hosted solution that could, in theory, be custom-built on a $50/month server with enough time investment can still be a great deal. Engineers are expensive and time is limited.

bruce343434 4y ago
> But if you're running an actual business, even a $10,000/month AWS bill is cheaper than hiring another skilled developer to help manage your dedicated servers. Uhhh, excuse me but how much are you paying this DevOps guy? This seems like a very American perspective, even valley area. In Europe, hiring a guy would be cheaper.
- baq 4y ago
  Where do you find these people you say are available for hire in Europe? I see scarcely little
  - dijit 4y ago
    plenty. how much do you want to pay and what skills in particular. I can hook you up in about 3 hours.
- PragmaticPulp 4y ago
  > Uhhh, excuse me but how much are you paying this DevOps guy? This seems like a very American perspective, even valley area. In Europe, hiring a guy would be cheaper. Fully loaded employment costs are significantly higher than what you take home in your paycheck. It's actually worse in Europe. Take a look at these charts: https://accace.com/the-true-cost-of-an-employee-in-europe/ https://accace.com/the-true-cost-of-an-employee-in-europe/ If you pay someone 1000 EUR in the UK, it costs the company a total of 1245 EUR. If you pay someone 1000 EUR in Romania, it costs the company 1747 EUR total. So a $120,000 fully loaded cost might only buy you at $68,000 USD salary for an EU devops person. But you can't have just one devops person. You need at least 2 if you want to allow one of them to ever take a break, get sick, or go on vacation.