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I'm not sure if cloud has a valid value-proposition. The more I explore and build the more irrelevant it seems for the average developer. Besides price and perf

I'm not sure if cloud has a valid value-proposition. The more I explore and build the more irrelevant it seems for the average developer. Besides price and performance being obvious concerns, it's also a platform. Working with it fundamentally ties your business to a set of products. Historically, this hasn't worked well for Internet businesses. Plus, all the benefits of cloud can be mirrored by traditional servers. Self-serve infrastructure appears likely to become increasingly viable as we continue improving last mile delivery and expand fiber access. Will cloud become self-cannibalizing? Definitely maybe.

Stranger43 4y ago
That could have been true if the industry had not screwed up IPv6 and security so badly that it's actually rare for even good internet connections to expose their end users to full inbound internet traffic so it's actually harder to self host out of your basement today then it was 20 years ago because of the prevalence of ISP supplied hardware firewalls for todays consumer internet. What cloud gets you is the ability to put your data/workload right at the core without having to make special deals with your local isp, and with a lot more resilience then you would likely afford unless your at least at the multiple 20 foot container full of servers scale of compute need.
- shanebellone 4y ago
  It's not an issue anymore. Your main concerns are power and internet stability. Plus, upload speed. The rest can be worked out. https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://github.com/cloudflare/cloudflared https://github.com/cloudflare/cloudflared https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-apps https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections... Edit: If anyone is interested in self-hosting, it's stupid simple with cloudflared. I have a 2017 Google Pixelbook running Ubuntu on custom firmware that's serving a Flask-based website. It sits on my desk charging while connected to a guest wifi network. It receives a 100/100 Mobile PageSpeed score and takes 0.8 seconds to fully load.
  - hashim 4y ago
    I'd be interested in browsing the site for myself if you're willing to link to it.

Stranger43 4y ago

That could have been true if the industry had not screwed up IPv6 and security so badly that it's actually rare for even good internet connections to expose their end users to full inbound internet traffic so it's actually harder to self host out of your basement today then it was 20 years ago because of the prevalence of ISP supplied hardware firewalls for todays consumer internet. What cloud gets you is the ability to put your data/workload right at the core without having to make special deals with your local isp, and with a lot more resilience then you would likely afford unless your at least at the multiple 20 foot container full of servers scale of compute need.

shanebellone 4y ago
It's not an issue anymore. Your main concerns are power and internet stability. Plus, upload speed. The rest can be worked out. https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://www.cloudflare.com/products/tunnel/ https://github.com/cloudflare/cloudflared https://github.com/cloudflare/cloudflared https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections/connect-apps https://developers.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-one/connections... Edit: If anyone is interested in self-hosting, it's stupid simple with cloudflared. I have a 2017 Google Pixelbook running Ubuntu on custom firmware that's serving a Flask-based website. It sits on my desk charging while connected to a guest wifi network. It receives a 100/100 Mobile PageSpeed score and takes 0.8 seconds to fully load.
- hashim 4y ago
  I'd be interested in browsing the site for myself if you're willing to link to it.