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I wanted to joke about this showing the clear need for jet-mounted shotguns, but there is or was probably some multi-million MIC research project about exactly
by mhd 4y ago
I wanted to joke about this showing the clear need for jet-mounted shotguns, but there is or was probably some multi-million MIC research project about exactly this. (And yes, I read that 1000 holes weren't sufficient. But software architecture rule #1: if brute force didn't work, it just wasn't brute enough.)
- JackFr 4y ago“XML is like violence - if it’s not solving your problem you’re not using enough of it.”
- ceejayoz 4y agoAir-to-air missiles are jet-mounted shotguns. They send a cloud of shrapnel into the target. For a good example, look at pictures of the MH17 debris: https://twitter.com/samgadjones/status/491242301872955393 https://twitter.com/samgadjones/status/491242301872955393 https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1835D/production/_107456199_mh17_impact_location_624v2-nc.jpg.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/1835D/production...
- Sebb767 4y ago> if brute force didn't work, it just wasn't brute enough Arguably, upgrading to explosives counts as 'more brute'
- Tostino 4y agoThe missile they took it down with didn't have an explosive warhead. It was more like an arrow.
- ceejayoz 4y agoI've seen this claim several times in this thread, zero of them with a source. Meanwhile, the close-up video has clear evidence of a detonation. https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1621996717624393728 https://twitter.com/MikeSington/status/1621996717624393728
- grugagag 4y agoI see no detonation here
- ceejayoz 4y agohttps://imgur.com/a/y386kLU https://imgur.com/a/y386kLU The grey cloud is the explosion. Real-life missiles don't look like a Michael Bay movie, and the balloon almost certainly carried no jet fuel for combustion.
- grugagag 4y agoWhat makes you think that comes from a warhead and is not a reaction of the mixed gasses from the missle and balloon? I don’t even known but I suspect a warhead would not even detonate when piercing a balloon
- ceejayoz 4y ago> What makes you think that comes from a warhead and is not a reaction of the mixed gasses from the missle and balloon? The balloon is full of helium, notable for being unreactive. > I don’t even known but I suspect a warhead would not even detonate when piercing a balloon Sidewinder missiles have a laser proximity fuze. They detonate just fine.
- TheCoelacanth 4y agoHow do you know that the balloon is using helium instead of cheaper and more buoyant hydrogen?
- ceejayoz 4y ago1. Because it's unlikely. 2. Because it doesn't reallly matter; the "how did the missile detonate" question is readily answerable, and all that gas in the balloon is well above the impact site and smoke cloud. The parent poster expressed disbelief because of an entirely incorrect assumption about how missiles work.
- mhd 4y agoCanceled out by the smarter delivery. But I'm willing to allow HEI cannons instead of shrapnel shotguns. I mean, obviously the dumbest, brutest thing would be the jet equivalent of Ben Hur's wheel spikes. Sharpened wings?
- dingaling 4y agoNot a shotgun, but the USSR developed an entire aircraft with EO-guided turret-mounted 23mm cannon to counter balloons. The Myasischev M-17: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ad9rmXHhi2U/TaBxNpJvBtI/AAAAAAABIx0/FwyRIf6lXj8/s1600/M17-07.jpg https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ad9rmXHhi2U/TaBxNpJvBtI/AAAAAAABI... Over 4,000 recce balloons had entered their airspace up until the late 1970s and the Soviets compiled statistics that "on average 1.4 guided AAM's, 26 unguided rockets and 112 cannon rounds were used against each [destroyed] balloon"
- arethuza 4y agoIn case anyone is wondering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myasishchev_M-55
- inetknght 4y ago> I wanted to joke about this showing the clear need for jet-mounted shotguns You might want to play the NC (blue guys) in Planetside 2. They have shotguns on everything. Yes, even their aircraft have shotguns.