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The entire insurance industry, and almost all of the industries who make money from it, are against it, for one. There are many doctors and nurses who would als

The entire insurance industry, and almost all of the industries who make money from it, are against it, for one. There are many doctors and nurses who would also be incensed if you told them that they had to take less pay EVEN IF you also immediately eliminated all their education debts. Nurses in particular are heavily incentivized to work overtime because they usually work insane 12 hour shifts to begin with. You also can't reform it if you aren't going to touch the pharmaceutical industry. There are medicines that cost $3K a month here that cost $0.50 in Africa for the same dosage. I can understand that the US is funding the military to a ridiculous degree to maintain its global hegemony... but I can't understand why voters think it's a good idea to allow pharmaceutical manufacturers to gouge the crap out of people. Nothing about medical care is a traditional manufacturer / consumer relationship. I'd rather nationalize the pharma companies and all medical patents for medicines or devices which are sold more than a factor of 5x in the US over its lowest price.

sokoloff 4y ago
Is the long-run alternative that future medicines like that are available for $0.50/month worldwide or not available at all? > many doctors and nurses who would also be incensed if you told them that they had to take less pay EVEN IF you also immediately eliminated all their education debts If the reduction in current value of their lifetime pay is greater than the value of their education debts, why wouldn’t they be incensed? I would be as well, as would most people.
- MisterBastahrd 4y ago
  > Is the long-run alternative that future medicines like that are available for $0.50/month worldwide or not available at all? Not if the government nationalizes the pharmaceutical industry and treats it like NASA, which it should have done a LONG time ago. > If the reduction in current value of their lifetime pay is greater than the value of their education debts, why wouldn’t they be incensed? I would be as well, as would most people. Hospitals are overworking medical staff. The average nursing shift is 12 hours long. Most surgeons are putting in 60+ hours a week. The number of medical staff needs to increase and their work hours need to be normalized as much as possible. We've allowed medical associations to artificially gatekeep the populations of staff for no damned good reason.

sokoloff 4y ago

Is the long-run alternative that future medicines like that are available for $0.50/month worldwide or not available at all? > many doctors and nurses who would also be incensed if you told them that they had to take less pay EVEN IF you also immediately eliminated all their education debts If the reduction in current value of their lifetime pay is greater than the value of their education debts, why wouldn’t they be incensed? I would be as well, as would most people.

MisterBastahrd 4y ago
> Is the long-run alternative that future medicines like that are available for $0.50/month worldwide or not available at all? Not if the government nationalizes the pharmaceutical industry and treats it like NASA, which it should have done a LONG time ago. > If the reduction in current value of their lifetime pay is greater than the value of their education debts, why wouldn’t they be incensed? I would be as well, as would most people. Hospitals are overworking medical staff. The average nursing shift is 12 hours long. Most surgeons are putting in 60+ hours a week. The number of medical staff needs to increase and their work hours need to be normalized as much as possible. We've allowed medical associations to artificially gatekeep the populations of staff for no damned good reason.