I don't think so, I'm including those people in the 5 million that would lose their jobs or see pay cuts. They are exactly the ones who will fight to keep the

I don't think so, I'm including those people in the 5 million that would lose their jobs or see pay cuts. They are exactly the ones who will fight to keep the system as it is. We absolutely should get rid of those expenses, it will take quite a while, or be a significant disruption.