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How can it be sensor glare when the pilots saw with their own eyes these objects?

godelski 4y ago
Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes. You need to pay attention to the accounts. There are some though, to be clear. But these cases aren't like the ones we're seeing videos of. They are often something that flew between the aircraft vertically. This could easily be a bird (lower altitudes) or even part of a weather balloon that is just in free fall (these are launched all the time and have small payloads that frequently fall into the ocean). There are also tons of surveillance drones (foreign and domestic) and a few of these have been seen at night and when people look through night vision optics they'll see triangular shapes. This is something you can replicate, which builds strong evidence. I don't know if you've ever been in a small private aircraft, but if you have you may have seen another plane crossing your path. It is quite hard to see such an object until it is right on you (thank god for ADS-B). I couldn't imagine the same situation in a fighter jet. Having also seen things like balloons and birds while flying, I can tell you that things don't look the same. Your perspective is really different and optical illusions are abound (people even frequently misinterpret flight paths looking up at planes and birds). Yes, you get training for this, but at the same time that training doesn't break the illusion.
- neom 4y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY scrub to 7 minutes in.
  - godelski 4y ago
    > New Radar 80kft in a second? Remember that the speed of sound is ~1.1kfps (at atm). But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. I'm going with new radar new glitch. Per the video, they don't describe seeing this movement except on radar and, from my understanding, not the other object with their physical eyes but the weapons systems (which the 60 minutes video even shows an example of a glitch with Go Fast).
    - neom 4y ago
      Your original comment was about "Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes." - the interview I linked to seems to contradict that statement? Two pilots at the 8 minute mark go into depth about witnessing them.
      - splitstud 4y ago
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      - Sightline 4y ago
        Hey that's not fair, that comment was supposed to derail the entire conversation!
    - Sightline 4y ago
      >But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. Why are you being purposefully obtuse?
- throwaway743 4y ago
  David Fravor and his peers saw one with their own eyes, and it doesn't seem to be a bird.

Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes. You need to pay attention to the accounts. There are some though, to be clear. But these cases aren't like the ones we're seeing videos of. They are often something that flew between the aircraft vertically. This could easily be a bird (lower altitudes) or even part of a weather balloon that is just in free fall (these are launched all the time and have small payloads that frequently fall into the ocean). There are also tons of surveillance drones (foreign and domestic) and a few of these have been seen at night and when people look through night vision optics they'll see triangular shapes. This is something you can replicate, which builds strong evidence. I don't know if you've ever been in a small private aircraft, but if you have you may have seen another plane crossing your path. It is quite hard to see such an object until it is right on you (thank god for ADS-B). I couldn't imagine the same situation in a fighter jet. Having also seen things like balloons and birds while flying, I can tell you that things don't look the same. Your perspective is really different and optical illusions are abound (people even frequently misinterpret flight paths looking up at planes and birds). Yes, you get training for this, but at the same time that training doesn't break the illusion.

neom 4y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY scrub to 7 minutes in.
- godelski 4y ago
  > New Radar 80kft in a second? Remember that the speed of sound is ~1.1kfps (at atm). But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. I'm going with new radar new glitch. Per the video, they don't describe seeing this movement except on radar and, from my understanding, not the other object with their physical eyes but the weapons systems (which the 60 minutes video even shows an example of a glitch with Go Fast).
  - neom 4y ago
    Your original comment was about "Most of these weren't things pilots saw with their physical eyes." - the interview I linked to seems to contradict that statement? Two pilots at the 8 minute mark go into depth about witnessing them.
    - splitstud 4y ago
      [dead]
    - Sightline 4y ago
      Hey that's not fair, that comment was supposed to derail the entire conversation!
  - Sightline 4y ago
    >But 80 times that? The sonic boom from that would be INSANE. Why are you being purposefully obtuse?
throwaway743 4y ago
David Fravor and his peers saw one with their own eyes, and it doesn't seem to be a bird.