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Not wanting to acknowledge they exist, or not wanting to do them because they find them less proeuctive? Different issues.

8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
Less productive. I started with C++, did that for about 5 years, then got sucked into web where I've been for about 20 years. In a funny turn of events, my company has adopted C++ and now I'm writing C++ again. I don't hate it, but 15 minutes to compile/boot a server or 5 minutes to run some tests is kind of unpleasant. And the occasionally UB bug or dangling pointer. It's just really outdated. Enough so that I don't want to relearn how to build a GUI in C++. I'll wait a few more years for Zig or Carbon to mature.
- anthk 4y ago
  You don't have to. You can write a UI in QML.
- vfclists 4y ago
  Use Lazarus IDE and Freepascal and report your findings.
  - 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
    Then I'm learning an IDE instead of a GUI lib. Same diff, not interested. I'm happy with CLion.
otabdeveloper4 4y ago
"Productive" is a nice euphemism for "I'm a web developer and can't be bothered to learn anything that isn't Javascript".
- Gigachad 4y ago
  These same companies are writing custom SSD drivers and cutting edge Rust backends for the absolute best performance. I think it's pretty safe to say they picked Electron because it's the best tool for the job, not because the worlds devs are all too lazy.
  - otabdeveloper4 4y ago
    Try hiring a frontend dev sometime and come back to me with that theory.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    > they picked Electron because it's the best tool for the job Yes, but things they're counting as "best" include considerations other than performance and resource usage. Not that they're wrong in doing so -- everything's a tradeoff, after all, and engineering is mostly about selecting tradeoffs. But as a user, Electron apps tend to be pretty bad, and so from my point of view, Electron is as well. I tend to avoid them as a result. But my point of view as a user is very narrow.

8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago

Less productive. I started with C++, did that for about 5 years, then got sucked into web where I've been for about 20 years. In a funny turn of events, my company has adopted C++ and now I'm writing C++ again. I don't hate it, but 15 minutes to compile/boot a server or 5 minutes to run some tests is kind of unpleasant. And the occasionally UB bug or dangling pointer. It's just really outdated. Enough so that I don't want to relearn how to build a GUI in C++. I'll wait a few more years for Zig or Carbon to mature.

anthk 4y ago
You don't have to. You can write a UI in QML.
vfclists 4y ago
Use Lazarus IDE and Freepascal and report your findings.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 4y ago
  Then I'm learning an IDE instead of a GUI lib. Same diff, not interested. I'm happy with CLion.

otabdeveloper4 4y ago

"Productive" is a nice euphemism for "I'm a web developer and can't be bothered to learn anything that isn't Javascript".

Gigachad 4y ago
These same companies are writing custom SSD drivers and cutting edge Rust backends for the absolute best performance. I think it's pretty safe to say they picked Electron because it's the best tool for the job, not because the worlds devs are all too lazy.
- otabdeveloper4 4y ago
  Try hiring a frontend dev sometime and come back to me with that theory.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  > they picked Electron because it's the best tool for the job Yes, but things they're counting as "best" include considerations other than performance and resource usage. Not that they're wrong in doing so -- everything's a tradeoff, after all, and engineering is mostly about selecting tradeoffs. But as a user, Electron apps tend to be pretty bad, and so from my point of view, Electron is as well. I tend to avoid them as a result. But my point of view as a user is very narrow.