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If Aliens can seemingly break all known laws of the physical universe to get to Earth, somehow I think they could probably evade as many mobile phone cameras as

If Aliens can seemingly break all known laws of the physical universe to get to Earth, somehow I think they could probably evade as many mobile phone cameras as they want

garyfirestorm 4y ago
I think if UAP's can evade active radars and somehow were caught doing crazy speeds by airforce equipment alone, its quite possible the 2$ phone camera won't capture a thing going at 5 mach.
wpietri 4y ago
Sure, but that doesn't explain why they got better at the exact rate our technology did. It's much easier to blame it on gods or angels or devils or whatever. Which is basically what "aliens" means when they're treated as having extra-magic technology.
- ostenning 4y ago
  Im not really sure what your point is, your measuring Aliens in relation to Humans and our understanding of the universe. If Aliens did get to Earth most theories would imply that they have broken physical laws that we haven’t, so for all intents and purposes, they do have extra-magic technology. Maybe they also have threat models and can adapt to our rate of change? I don’t know, but thinking that we are the only part of the equation doesnt seem complete to me
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Sure, now substitute "angels" for "Aliens" and you could ring doorbells on Sunday. Have all the fantasies you like, of course. But don't please don't mistake it for a serious argument about what we are compelled to believe from evidence. What we have is a long history of humans taking liminal phenomena and using it to justify believe in quasi-anthropomorphic entities that are just out of sight. Fairies, angels, demons, ghosts, aliens, etc. The names change, the "evidence" changes, but the belief is a constant. But after literal centuries, somehow the evidence always melts away, and the angels/aliens always stay conveniently unproven but still somehow believed in despite the ever-expanding range of what we can now observe and prove. If you were a godbotherer, the theological term for what you're doing is "god of the gaps". But that's both bad theology and bad science.
    - ostenning 4y ago
      You made the assumption that our human technology could outpace aliens, you said it yourself. The context of this discussion is based on unidentified aerial phenomena in our sky's as disclosed by the US government and so we are naturally making assumptions based on this evidence. That is all this discussion is about, its not based on some mystical religious gap filler. My argument is predicated on that if the evidence does hold up, and _if_ Aliens did get to Earth, and _if_ these events are otherworldly then by that token whats to say they couldn't evade our technologies or choose to be detected when they desired?
      - wpietri 4y ago
        Ok? And if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle. I agree you can imagine an alien that continues to neatly fit inside the evidentiary gaps despite the rapid pace which those gaps have evolved over the last couple hundred years. I can do that too. My imaginary aliens are just jerks who like taunting us. They always had the capacity to be unobserved, but have consistently maintained a level of liminal, unconfirmable hints because they are here to fuck with us. Please look for my book, "4chan of the Skies" which will come out in April 2024. But I don't anybody should take either kind of aliens-of-the-gaps seriously, because I think the much simpler explanation is that it's the same kind of fill-the-gaps-with-boogeymen that humans have been doing since Zeus was dreamed up to explain thunder.
        ostenning 4y ago
        I think you are really missing the point here. I'm not debating with you if aliens exist or not, my original comment was simply a thought experiment about what state of technology aliens would have access to in the hypothetical scenario that they were here, an assumption, and this is based on the idea that they likely have technology that is superior to ours, because they likely traversed millions of light years to get here. Is it really that hard?
        wpietri 4y ago
- shepherdjerred 4y ago
  https://xkcd.com/2572/ https://xkcd.com/2572/
  - wpietri 4y ago
    Yes, exactly that!

If Aliens can seemingly break all known laws of the physical universe to get to Earth, somehow I think they could probably evade as many mobile phone cameras as they want

garyfirestorm 4y ago

I think if UAP's can evade active radars and somehow were caught doing crazy speeds by airforce equipment alone, its quite possible the 2$ phone camera won't capture a thing going at 5 mach.

wpietri 4y ago

Sure, but that doesn't explain why they got better at the exact rate our technology did. It's much easier to blame it on gods or angels or devils or whatever. Which is basically what "aliens" means when they're treated as having extra-magic technology.

ostenning 4y ago
Im not really sure what your point is, your measuring Aliens in relation to Humans and our understanding of the universe. If Aliens did get to Earth most theories would imply that they have broken physical laws that we haven’t, so for all intents and purposes, they do have extra-magic technology. Maybe they also have threat models and can adapt to our rate of change? I don’t know, but thinking that we are the only part of the equation doesnt seem complete to me
- wpietri 4y ago
  Sure, now substitute "angels" for "Aliens" and you could ring doorbells on Sunday. Have all the fantasies you like, of course. But don't please don't mistake it for a serious argument about what we are compelled to believe from evidence. What we have is a long history of humans taking liminal phenomena and using it to justify believe in quasi-anthropomorphic entities that are just out of sight. Fairies, angels, demons, ghosts, aliens, etc. The names change, the "evidence" changes, but the belief is a constant. But after literal centuries, somehow the evidence always melts away, and the angels/aliens always stay conveniently unproven but still somehow believed in despite the ever-expanding range of what we can now observe and prove. If you were a godbotherer, the theological term for what you're doing is "god of the gaps". But that's both bad theology and bad science.
  - ostenning 4y ago
    You made the assumption that our human technology could outpace aliens, you said it yourself. The context of this discussion is based on unidentified aerial phenomena in our sky's as disclosed by the US government and so we are naturally making assumptions based on this evidence. That is all this discussion is about, its not based on some mystical religious gap filler. My argument is predicated on that if the evidence does hold up, and _if_ Aliens did get to Earth, and _if_ these events are otherworldly then by that token whats to say they couldn't evade our technologies or choose to be detected when they desired?
    - wpietri 4y ago
      Ok? And if pigs had wings they'd be pigeons. If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bicycle. I agree you can imagine an alien that continues to neatly fit inside the evidentiary gaps despite the rapid pace which those gaps have evolved over the last couple hundred years. I can do that too. My imaginary aliens are just jerks who like taunting us. They always had the capacity to be unobserved, but have consistently maintained a level of liminal, unconfirmable hints because they are here to fuck with us. Please look for my book, "4chan of the Skies" which will come out in April 2024. But I don't anybody should take either kind of aliens-of-the-gaps seriously, because I think the much simpler explanation is that it's the same kind of fill-the-gaps-with-boogeymen that humans have been doing since Zeus was dreamed up to explain thunder.
      - ostenning 4y ago
        I think you are really missing the point here. I'm not debating with you if aliens exist or not, my original comment was simply a thought experiment about what state of technology aliens would have access to in the hypothetical scenario that they were here, an assumption, and this is based on the idea that they likely have technology that is superior to ours, because they likely traversed millions of light years to get here. Is it really that hard?
        wpietri 4y ago
shepherdjerred 4y ago
https://xkcd.com/2572/ https://xkcd.com/2572/
- wpietri 4y ago
  Yes, exactly that!