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Craft using an inertial mass reduction device
- zactato 4y agoI’m sorry this sounds a little like magic, I am not a physicist, but thought you couldn’t alter inertial mass
- HWR_14 4y agoIf you watch Star Trek or Marvel movies, you'll see it's a common solution to many problems.
- ggm 4y agothis is like "... in rats" but "... in fiction"
- midoridensha 4y agoI wouldn't say it's a "common solution", but it is helpful to do when you need to push an asteroid to not hit a populated planet: all you have to do is extend the ship's warp field to encompass as much of the asteroid as possible, then pushing on it with a repulsor beam will have more effect. Having an outcast member of the Q Continuum with you as a technical advisor can also be very helpful.
- colanderman 4y agoThis looks similar to EmDrive, which I understand has been demonstrated ineffectual?
- yootyootr 4y agoYup, the same as the "Cannae Drive," "Q-Drive," and similar. You can't fire microwaves off in a sealed enclosure and somehow create a quantum lifting/propelling effect.
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- themodelplumber 4y agoDidn't we find out some time ago that certain elements within USG are chartered to draw up patents (possibly this one) to cause adversaries to become distracted, lost, concerned, in the mood to spend remaining budgets on fantasy projects, and so on? Ah...OK, so on further reading this is Dr. Pais. So yeah there is speculation about his patents being intentional scams. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Pais https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Pais (How wild would it be to be paid to come up with FANTASTIC PATENTS though, and maybe they don't _tell_ you they're using your fully-functional fantasy world to cause China to burn cash?) https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/02/08/what-is-behind-the-us-navys-ufo-fusion-energy-patent/?sh=5b1e9a524733 https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/02/08/what-is-b... Star Wars (the former USG program) was also apparently based on faked data in order to get USSR to burn cash
- heavyset_go 4y ago> Didn't we find out some time ago that certain elements within USG are chartered to draw up patents (possibly this one) to cause adversaries to become distracted, lost, concerned, in the mood to spend remaining budgets on fantasy projects, and so on? Yes, and the US government also investigates and invests in adversaries' fantasy projects, as well. It's how we got things like the Stargate Project[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
- themodelplumber 4y agoAh, OK--that was quite a cultural thing at the time too, right? Isn't that where the Columbo episode "Columbo Goes to the Guillotine" got its inspiration? It starts out with a fraudulent remote-viewing scam, with the pentagon brass as marks. I think there was a MacGyver episode with remote viewing, too...GX-1 or something.
- heavyset_go 4y agoI believe Stargate and SRI are the origins of the concept of remote viewing as it became popularly known.
- divbzero 4y agoI would expect truly revolutionary technology from the military to be kept as trade secret rather than publicized by patent.
- ssalka 4y agoThere's another patent held by Salvatore Pais as well, "High frequency gravitational wave generator": https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10322827B2/en Both patents have very interesting descriptions, which are good fun reads if nothing else - there are a couple extraordinary claims. Pais actually discusses the patents & the approval/appeal process, among other things, in this interview with podcaster Kurt Jaimungal (patent discussion is ~15 minutes in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o --- Here's a couple other fun patents in this area: Triangular spacecraft - https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1 https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1 Photon spacecraft - https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060144035A1/ https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060144035A1/ One more interesting individual whose work you could look into, if this stuff intrigues you, is Dr. Eric Davis - he wrote/contributed to a number of papers that came out of AATIP (DoD UFO program run from 2007-2012). List of papers is here, many can be found through online research: https://irp.fas.org/dia/aatip-list.pdf https://irp.fas.org/dia/aatip-list.pdf
- KRAKRISMOTT 4y agoEverything is a gravitational wave generator if it oscillates fast enough.
- brandonwouldnt 4y agoThis blog did some serious digging on this and other patents from this person and ended up getting an interview with him a few years back. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-inventor-of-the-navys-bizarre-ufo-patents-finally-talks https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-in...
- Ziggy_Zaggy 4y agoKinda amusing to watch this R&D topic surface again. Still hoping for someone to produce a clip of a functional demo. Also, there was a second guy (Mario Ludovico) who was doing similar R&D where a Japanese team actually were able to replicate the results of.
- suby 4y agoThe man listed as inventor of this patent, Salvatore Pais, has been on Curt Jaimungal's podcast a few times. Here's a link to the first time he was on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o I listened to each of them but I frankly didn't understand any of it. I did come out of it with the impression that this stuff was all based on his personal theories, that he can't get anyone to take him seriously in academia, and that we don't actually have anything like this working in secret. But again, considering that it's all over my head, I'd also put little stock in my take away from the interviews.
- v3ss0n 4y agoThis is one of the most interesting scientist interview of all time. Has navy actually tried or not, journalist need to dig in more.
- elif 4y agoThe annoying thing about military patents is for every real one there are 10 meant to distract competitors.. and of course no way for the public to even post-facto discern between them due to classification/secrecy.
- gruez 4y agoWhy even bother filing the real patents? Why not just keep them classified?
- alanbernstein 4y agoI think we can safely ignore the ones that are based on fictional science concepts?
- NotYourLawyer 4y agoYou (generally) don’t have to prove that your idea works to get a patent on it. If it’s a perpetual motion machine, the examiner will ask for proof. If not, they usually don’t inquire.
- saudade97 4y agoThe prosecution is pretty interesting to read through; here's what I saw. Looking at the Final rejection, the Examiner rejected the claims as lacking enablement given that the specification indicated that ludcriously high teslas—more than what a neutron star generates—need to be generated for the invention to work. (Notably, the Examiner was pretty lazy here and didn't cite anything to bolster his argument. I'm not sure if it would have helped, though.) In the appeal, the attorney argued that, legally, a patent doesn't have to describe a working invention; this triggered my BS alarms about the invention's overall feasibility. That said, there are some hilariously biting remarks here in which the attorney, addressing repulsive magnetic fields, slanders the Examiner as one who fails to understand highschool physics and not even being close to one of ordinary skill in the art. But from what I saw by skimming, a lot of what the Applicant provided as enablement was the inventor's own previous work and that the high numbers are generated by "valid" equations. Overall, it looks like this invention is BS, but BS inventions are demonstrably patentable by legal precedent. I'll share a cynical Patent Examiner adage: Stupid gets you patent.
- Gordonjcp 4y agoAha, a step closer to a practicable Bergenholm device then?
- drbw 4y agoNext stop, Arisia!
- geuis 4y agoThis is basically the same claim of using microwaves in a metal cavity in regards to propellant-less propulsion that has been discredited many times now. Flagged. FYI: you can patent any dumb idea. It doesn't actually have to work. It's retarded patent claims aren't required to have reproducible physical demonstrations first.
- kurthr 4y agoIt's true that only really perpetual motion machines are banned. However, the patent is supposed to teach enough (to one skilled in the art) to be enabling. If the patents specification (not the abstract or claims) are not enabling then it is not valid... and ostensibly the examiner should have rejected it. Now just take a bunch of this kind of gibberish along with the full patent database and feed it into a transformer based LLM to generate reams of patent like objects with negative pressure polarized vacuums of inverted space time in order to achieve inertial mass reduction.
- schappim 4y agoAsking a LLM to explain it to me: This technology involves the use of artificially generated high energy electromagnetic fields that interact with the vacuum energy state. This interaction can be used to generate emergent physical phenomena such as force and matter fields unification. By manipulating the quantum field fluctuations in the local vacuum energy state, it is possible to reduce the inertia of a craft, making it easier to move. Additionally, the strong energy flux generated by the electromagnetic fields can induce local vacuum polarization, allowing for “smooth sailing” through the negative pressure (repulsive gravity) of the vacuum. Furthermore, it is possible to generate high frequency gravitational waves which can be used to modify the gravitational fields in close proximity to the craft, resulting in its propulsion. Finally, the vibrational acceleration of a gyro-rotor can induce a state of abrupt departure far from thermodynamic equilibrium, resulting in a reduction of its inertial (and thus gravitational) mass. Asking the LLM if this is real or fantasy? The idea of using high energy electromagnetic fields to interact with the vacuum energy state and induce emergent physical phenomena is real. However, the idea of using this technology for space propulsion and power generation is currently in the realm of fantasy, as the technology is not yet developed.
- andy_ppp 4y agoSo how does this thing (reportedly) reduce mass then? Anyone got a layman's explanation even if it is obviously a nonsense paper?
- mikewarot 4y agoThe gist of it as far as I can tell, is that you use an RF power source to cause a piezoelectric element (or surface) in vibrate at RF frequencies with as much power as it can stand, and push a high voltage onto the surface, which then causes a very highly accelerating moving charge, sufficient to tickle the quantum vacuum and cause non-linear effects. You could couple this with the idea of quantized inertia, and possibly get interesting real results, or not. If you have a surface vibrating at 1 Mhz, moving even 100 microns RMS, that means its moving at more than 100 meters/second, and the acceleration is more 10,000,000 times that of earth's gravity If you get a surface vibrating at 1 Ghz, with 1 micron of movement, you're still past a billion Gs of acceleration. Which might be able to tickle the quantum vacuum. (or not?)