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I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientist

I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientists are not so easily fooled, and there are several scientists with pedigrees far higher than you or any magician you'd hire that are studying this subject. Dr. Gary Nolan of Stanford, Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard, Dr. Eric Davis a theoretical physicist. IMO you are simply stuck in the wrong mindset if you don't think this is a serious subject.

scotty79 4y ago
I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked. Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my opinion. Please keep it at the back of your mind for the rest of your life. From now on I'm staying out of this particular conversation.
    - likeabbas 4y ago
      Just let the damn scientists study the evidence and keep your opinions to yourself, damn. You obviously have a huge bias against studying things that are currently unexplained, so you're not helping the conversation. Keep that in the back of your head.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        Solid scientists: Immunologist that thinks he saw UFO: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan Guy who thought Oumuamua is alien spaceship (gathered evidence gives exactly zero reasons to think that): https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Loeb-2206854079 https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Lo... Theoretical physicist with his head deep in things like Alcubierre drive that appears from Einstein's equations when applied to such things as negative mass (which doesn't exist) without acknowledging that quantum mechanics exists. He was also hired by Pentagon to investigate UFOs. Nothing came of it, but he had every incentive to make stuff up to keep his job. Which he was eventually fired from when it closed, but he claims it wasn't closed and he still works there. He also claimed they got some materials of alien origin they couldn't identify. Claim that has zero backing. And he can't even come clean that he lied because that would mean government could sue him for fraud. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 I see how those three are superbly equipped to validate or falsify claims of some Airforce pilots. /s Basically 3 believers with some accidental degrees including some with vested interest in continuation of UFO research. Why am I against it? I just hate bs that poisons minds of so many people giving them some false sense of superiority for "having open minds" and forefront knowledge. I know it's hard to be confronted with information that undermines your belief. It can be painful. But it's worth it. Freedom from bs waits on the other side of this path. And having accurate model of reality and yourself matters.

scotty79 4y ago

I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.

likeabbas 4y ago
There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.
- scotty79 4y ago
  UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked. Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my opinion. Please keep it at the back of your mind for the rest of your life. From now on I'm staying out of this particular conversation.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    Just let the damn scientists study the evidence and keep your opinions to yourself, damn. You obviously have a huge bias against studying things that are currently unexplained, so you're not helping the conversation. Keep that in the back of your head.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      Solid scientists: Immunologist that thinks he saw UFO: https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan https://med.stanford.edu/profiles/garry-nolan Guy who thought Oumuamua is alien spaceship (gathered evidence gives exactly zero reasons to think that): https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Loeb-2206854079 https://www.researchgate.net/scientific-contributions/Avi-Lo... Theoretical physicist with his head deep in things like Alcubierre drive that appears from Einstein's equations when applied to such things as negative mass (which doesn't exist) without acknowledging that quantum mechanics exists. He was also hired by Pentagon to investigate UFOs. Nothing came of it, but he had every incentive to make stuff up to keep his job. Which he was eventually fired from when it closed, but he claims it wasn't closed and he still works there. He also claimed they got some materials of alien origin they couldn't identify. Claim that has zero backing. And he can't even come clean that he lied because that would mean government could sue him for fraud. https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Eric-Davis-16 I see how those three are superbly equipped to validate or falsify claims of some Airforce pilots. /s Basically 3 believers with some accidental degrees including some with vested interest in continuation of UFO research. Why am I against it? I just hate bs that poisons minds of so many people giving them some false sense of superiority for "having open minds" and forefront knowledge. I know it's hard to be confronted with information that undermines your belief. It can be painful. But it's worth it. Freedom from bs waits on the other side of this path. And having accurate model of reality and yourself matters.