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> ...so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all t

> ...so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal". Those videos are getting old now. If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers. The fact is these are pilots who observe the things they're trained to observe with the very job-specific tools they've been trained to use. They don't have tools for arbitrary scientific observations. However, if it's sooo common, then yeah, we should expect that someone in some country will start properly taking measurements on these phenomena... but so far it's been crickets.

PaulRobinson 4y ago
You do know UAP being reported by military pilots is not a solely US thing, right? And it being “old” does not mean we should increase or lower our expectations of one explanation or another. This article is telling you people are trying to properly take and report measurements but there is a stigma to doing so. The whole point of the article is that science is being denied a chance to explain something that could have very serious consequences because of attitudes like, well, frankly, yours.
naasking 4y ago
> If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. If you don't understand a phenomenon then you have basis upon which to speculate under what conditions you will or will not see it, and thus make any statistical guesses about the probability of detecting it. Ball lightning still has no direct evidence but plenty of indirect evidence. > Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers. You mean like these: * https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578/japanese-military-tracking-ufos/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578... * https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-pentagon/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-p...

PaulRobinson 4y ago

You do know UAP being reported by military pilots is not a solely US thing, right? And it being “old” does not mean we should increase or lower our expectations of one explanation or another. This article is telling you people are trying to properly take and report measurements but there is a stigma to doing so. The whole point of the article is that science is being denied a chance to explain something that could have very serious consequences because of attitudes like, well, frankly, yours.

naasking 4y ago

> If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. If you don't understand a phenomenon then you have basis upon which to speculate under what conditions you will or will not see it, and thus make any statistical guesses about the probability of detecting it. Ball lightning still has no direct evidence but plenty of indirect evidence. > Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers. You mean like these: * https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578/japanese-military-tracking-ufos/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578... * https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-pentagon/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-p...