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I think what we are seeing here is a proxy argument. Artists do not care about the copyright of people being able to learn from their art and reproduce it. It
by bioemerl 4y ago
I think what we are seeing here is a proxy argument.
Artists do not care about the copyright of people being able to learn from their art and reproduce it.
It is not been an issue for decades, because it is a long established standard of copyright. You can't copy a work directly, you can learn from it and reproduce your own sort of stuff.
What's different now is that this is a tool which artists can be replaced by. They not angry that their art has been learned from. Artists are angry that there is a tool which can replace them. And artists are looking for a way to make sure that tool is hampered as much as physically possible.
If it were not learning copyright it would be something else, and whatever that's something else is it would also probably be something with proxy for that core issue.
Imagine we had created an AI which was perfect, it could take your exact description of anything you asked it for and drew that thing.
And then I went and asked it for a picture of Mickey mouse in the style of Disney. Because it's a perfect AI perfectly reproduces it.
Who is in the wrong? I think it's absurd to think the creators of the AI would begin the wrong, because they did their job perfectly. It's a perfect app, it is a tool capable of literally anything.
At the end of the day, it's the person using the tool to violate copyright who is in the wrong, assuming they distribute those images.
And I don't believe the answer here is communism, I believe the answer is the same answer we've had for decades for the same situation. People need to find new jobs and learn new skills and do new things.
And as programmers, it's probably going to happen to us too, about as soon as it happens to artists. Time to consider to start to learn to weld or build homes or something like that.
- mrtksn 4y agoI don't think we can look into this from copyright standpoint. It was already not working very well in the digital age, now it's completely useless. I don't object that people should learn new skills and find new jobs, my concern is that people who actually put huge effort to produce that "training data" are now left dry. They should be compensated and move on, I'm completely against hampering the abilities of AI in order to preserve the current business structures.
- bioemerl 4y agoThe problem is, the net contribution of most artists to these systems is next to zero. It's greater than zero, otherwise the AI wouldn't exist, but these AI are trained off of 5 billion plus examples. Examples that required work to collect and sort through. Examples that required millions of dollars worth of compute time to make into something useful. What is there to compensate them for? These machines are not actually going to make these companies that much money either. The tools are open source. Competition is going to reduce profit on these systems to a very slim margin. You have to not only compensate for the fact that they aren't involved in actually creating the AI, so they're only getting a fraction of what this thing is worth in the first place. Then you have to consider that there are five billion images in the training set. The compensation is going to be nothing.
- mrtksn 4y agoI agree, the situation is not ideal. These machines should't been trained on their work in first place. Currently compensating the artists would be like the Pirate Bay compensating the studios for their production costs through the gambling ads they run. No new move would have been ever made if that was the case.
- bioemerl 4y agoIsn't this machine never being invented a net loss for society? I want my computer to be able to summon images out of the ether if I ask it for a picture of anything I could imagine. I could not imagine a positive system that would value such a small group of individuals over the need of the whole in a situation like this.
- pertymcpert 4y agoThe tech is out there. This whole discussion is a waste of energy, it will never, ever be undone. Focus on what's next, not what you've lost.