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This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me. To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't beli
by PaulRobinson 4y ago
This comment - interesting though it is - has irked me.
To me it's sometimes amazing the lengths people will go to in order to insist something they can't believe must be because another party is at best mistaken, or at worst lying.
The article states that UAP were likely - in the view of the author who is speaking from personal experience and knowledge of incidents and people involved - witnessed by 50-60 people "every day".
The unclassified material records UAP from multiple sources including naked eye and two completely different sensor technologies - radar and infrared.
And yet, here we are. "Maybe there was just a glitch with the sensors".
No. No glitch. No sensor malfunction. No lone guy on weird meds.
Every day, UAP are being witnessed by credible, trained witnesses from multiple sources, and are not being mitigated because people fail to take them entirely seriously.
The article states that this is a major national security problem for the US. Too true. If these start appearing near a Russian ICBM silo, do we entirely trust - without figuring out what they are - that they aren't going to trigger a nuclear war?
It needs to be taken seriously. Hand-waving it away as mistaken people or flawed equipment despite professional men and women insisting they have already discounted those factors is an embarrassment to their professionalism and candour. It takes guts to talk about this.
And let's just remember these aren't tinfoil hat wearing stoners: they're service people sworn to protect their country screaming out "hey, you need to look at this, because we can't mitigate for this, and it's dangerous".
However, this isn't new, it's been culturally normal for decades.
If I told you that one USAAF officer who had served at Roswell Army Air Field at the time of "the incident" in 1947 had since come forward and said "Look, I was scared about losing my pension so I didn't say anything at the time, but the truth is there was a cover-up, and we couldn't really identify what that thing that crashed was but it wasn't ours and it didn't seem Soviet. People were scared because that base was the largest base for the Strategic Air Command, and admitting that weird unidentified objects could just get into airspace around there and we couldn't do anything about it would have terrified the public", you'd think about it and go "sure, one guy, not buying it entirely".
What if I told you ten individuals had all come forward - some with death bed confessions - and without evidence of collusion and for no payment or reward (not even a TV interview), had said similar things? What if they categorically insisted the updated explanation - not a weather balloon but an early warning radar system - was also not viable, because they were familiar with all those systems and this wasn't that?
What about a hundred ex-service people? A hundred accounts like that, some of them notarised statements to be released after their death? Or made shortly before last rites when they knew the pension couldn't be withdrawn? Would a hundred people doing that make you think "glitch" or "human error"?
The actual number is just over 600 right now. Seriously, _six hundred_ people have insisted that there was a significant security threat that never really got resolved, and about a dozen of them attest to life forms they couldn't really describe as human being present at the site.
Perhaps that's all too much for you, so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal".
It's taken 70 years to get to the point where we can start talking about this a little more openly. Let's not close this debate down again now.
Is any of it ET in origin? Probably not. Tic-tacs might be drone tech. Roswell might have been Soviet after all. But we'll never know if we don't start showing a bit more curiosity rather than reflexing to "probably not real".
- Maursault 4y agoThree Men Make a Tiger[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_men_make_a_tiger
- PaulRobinson 4y agoI’ll counter this story with the entire foundation of Bayesian statistics. This isn’t an example of cognitive bias if the information is from independent “readings”, from sources that are not motivated to deceive.
- crispyambulance 4y ago> ...so go look at the "tic-tac" videos again, and wonder why highly trained aviators who are used to seeing weird weather and foreign aircraft and drones all the time are now constantly saying "this is not normal". Those videos are getting old now. If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers. The fact is these are pilots who observe the things they're trained to observe with the very job-specific tools they've been trained to use. They don't have tools for arbitrary scientific observations. However, if it's sooo common, then yeah, we should expect that someone in some country will start properly taking measurements on these phenomena... but so far it's been crickets.
- PaulRobinson 4y agoYou do know UAP being reported by military pilots is not a solely US thing, right? And it being “old” does not mean we should increase or lower our expectations of one explanation or another. This article is telling you people are trying to properly take and report measurements but there is a stigma to doing so. The whole point of the article is that science is being denied a chance to explain something that could have very serious consequences because of attitudes like, well, frankly, yours.
- naasking 4y ago> If there was something to this stuff and it were really as commonplace as folks are saying we would be seeing much better imagery (at least) by now. If you don't understand a phenomenon then you have basis upon which to speculate under what conditions you will or will not see it, and thus make any statistical guesses about the probability of detecting it. Ball lightning still has no direct evidence but plenty of indirect evidence. > Not to mention the fact that this stuff would not be limited to American military observers. You mean like these: * https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578/japanese-military-tracking-ufos/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/aviation/a34061578... * https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-pentagon/ https://www.the-sun.com/news/3048770/ufos-china-un-beijing-p...