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Yeah, it seems like it'll just as happily 'attribute' human-made images as well, which calls the whole thing into question. If it's really showing the images th

by ertian 4y ago

Yeah, it seems like it'll just as happily 'attribute' human-made images as well, which calls the whole thing into question. If it's really showing the images that stable diffusion has 'stolen from', and it'll do the same for humans, does that not mean people are equally guilty?

fastball 4y ago
Maybe Stability AI is playing 4D chess and made this website themselves as a sorta "false flag" to help demonstrate that what SD is doing is no different than what humans do, to help them win any legal battles.
- nextlevelwizard 4y ago
  How is what any of these image generators are doing any different from myself when I (try to) make art? I draw on my experiences and senses and try to reproduce a picture and those experiences include natural things I've seen as well as art others have made. More so how are these image generators any different from text generators like ChatGTP? I feel like if first tool out from these AI gates was a bot that wrote good-enough-to-use code, no one would have batted an eye. Everyone would just go "yeah we told you that those pesky programmers would eventually automate themselves out of jobs", but since it is rendering pictures which most of the populace can appreciate and it is a skill that is easy enough for literally any child to pick up, but requires a lot of dedication to master all of a sudden this is theft and should be illegal. I really hope this lawsuit or whatever doesn't go anywhere, because it will not change anything. The genie is already out of the bottle as far as image generators are concerned - however it means that we the people won't get whatever comes next. Whatever comes next will be tightly held by big corporations and they alone will reap the benefits, whatever they may be.
  - dns_snek 4y ago
    > More so how are these image generators any different from text generators like ChatGTP? I've spotted this pattern a couple of times and this sort of circular reasoning seems concerning. Whenever one of (Stable diffusion, Copilot, ChatGPT) comes up in a discussion, their legitimacy seems to be swiftly justified by existence of the other two, even though they're all uniquely problematic in how they wash away attribution and licensing.
    - nextlevelwizard 4y ago
      The thing is that no one seems to have these concerns with ChatGPT. When DALL-E came out it was touted as end of artists since now everyone could "just make their own art", but most people just see ChatGPT as a toy. This is not circular reasoning, more observation of what people value. Since everyone can "Google and gather information" ChatGPT isn't valued enough, but since most people don't know how to draw DALL-E and Stable Diffusion are seen as industry destroyers.
      - onionisafruit 4y ago
        It’s interesting to read your perspective. I feel like I’ve seen more doom-saying about co-pilot and ChatGPT than I have about DALL-E and friends. But that may be selection bias.
        Ajedi32 4y ago
        I think there's plenty of doom saying with both. LLMs and diffusion models are both highly disruptive technologies, and I think it's fair to speculate on what the impact of that will be. The difference is I don't see book authors and news writers trying to sue OpenAI for "stealing" their articles and not providing attribution, or creating websites that try to divine which specific book chapters or news articles ChatGPT used to generate any particular response (as if that's at all representative of how GPT works).
        nextlevelwizard 4y ago
        Well, yeah, copilot had bunch of clueless people yell how it would make programming so much easier, but it was pretty obvious for anyone who used it that it was no where near ready do replace anyone. It was more like a good generic LSP
XorNot 4y ago
Yep straight up just uploaded a picture from my camera phone and it confidently found a bunch of strikingly similar images.
- throwaway1851 4y ago
  That in itself isn’t an indictment of the website. The tool is built on the assumption of being provided an image generated from Stable Diffusion. If you violate that assumption, it isn’t surprising that the tool fails your “test.” By comparison, a “dog vs. cat” classifier that has 100% accuracy on the dog/cat task will, nonetheless, tell you that a slice of pizza is a dog... or a cat. (You could possibly interpret the results as “if SD had generated this image, it would have drawn most from these sources in doing so”.)
  - scarmig 4y ago
    It's an image similarity search engine, slapping on the tag SD attribution for marketing purposes. Note that just because an image is similar (to human eyes) doesn't mean that it played a more significant role than a seemingly more dissimilar image. It could even return similar images that SD wasn't trained on at all. Even conditioned on providing an SD-generated image, it fails. (Something doing what it claims to do, as opposed to naive image similarity, would actually be pretty cool and useful.)

by ertian 4y ago

fastball 4y ago

Maybe Stability AI is playing 4D chess and made this website themselves as a sorta "false flag" to help demonstrate that what SD is doing is no different than what humans do, to help them win any legal battles.

nextlevelwizard 4y ago
How is what any of these image generators are doing any different from myself when I (try to) make art? I draw on my experiences and senses and try to reproduce a picture and those experiences include natural things I've seen as well as art others have made. More so how are these image generators any different from text generators like ChatGTP? I feel like if first tool out from these AI gates was a bot that wrote good-enough-to-use code, no one would have batted an eye. Everyone would just go "yeah we told you that those pesky programmers would eventually automate themselves out of jobs", but since it is rendering pictures which most of the populace can appreciate and it is a skill that is easy enough for literally any child to pick up, but requires a lot of dedication to master all of a sudden this is theft and should be illegal. I really hope this lawsuit or whatever doesn't go anywhere, because it will not change anything. The genie is already out of the bottle as far as image generators are concerned - however it means that we the people won't get whatever comes next. Whatever comes next will be tightly held by big corporations and they alone will reap the benefits, whatever they may be.
- dns_snek 4y ago
  > More so how are these image generators any different from text generators like ChatGTP? I've spotted this pattern a couple of times and this sort of circular reasoning seems concerning. Whenever one of (Stable diffusion, Copilot, ChatGPT) comes up in a discussion, their legitimacy seems to be swiftly justified by existence of the other two, even though they're all uniquely problematic in how they wash away attribution and licensing.
  - nextlevelwizard 4y ago
    The thing is that no one seems to have these concerns with ChatGPT. When DALL-E came out it was touted as end of artists since now everyone could "just make their own art", but most people just see ChatGPT as a toy. This is not circular reasoning, more observation of what people value. Since everyone can "Google and gather information" ChatGPT isn't valued enough, but since most people don't know how to draw DALL-E and Stable Diffusion are seen as industry destroyers.
    - onionisafruit 4y ago
      It’s interesting to read your perspective. I feel like I’ve seen more doom-saying about co-pilot and ChatGPT than I have about DALL-E and friends. But that may be selection bias.
      - Ajedi32 4y ago
        I think there's plenty of doom saying with both. LLMs and diffusion models are both highly disruptive technologies, and I think it's fair to speculate on what the impact of that will be. The difference is I don't see book authors and news writers trying to sue OpenAI for "stealing" their articles and not providing attribution, or creating websites that try to divine which specific book chapters or news articles ChatGPT used to generate any particular response (as if that's at all representative of how GPT works).
      - nextlevelwizard 4y ago
        Well, yeah, copilot had bunch of clueless people yell how it would make programming so much easier, but it was pretty obvious for anyone who used it that it was no where near ready do replace anyone. It was more like a good generic LSP

XorNot 4y ago

Yep straight up just uploaded a picture from my camera phone and it confidently found a bunch of strikingly similar images.

throwaway1851 4y ago
That in itself isn’t an indictment of the website. The tool is built on the assumption of being provided an image generated from Stable Diffusion. If you violate that assumption, it isn’t surprising that the tool fails your “test.” By comparison, a “dog vs. cat” classifier that has 100% accuracy on the dog/cat task will, nonetheless, tell you that a slice of pizza is a dog... or a cat. (You could possibly interpret the results as “if SD had generated this image, it would have drawn most from these sources in doing so”.)
- scarmig 4y ago
  It's an image similarity search engine, slapping on the tag SD attribution for marketing purposes. Note that just because an image is similar (to human eyes) doesn't mean that it played a more significant role than a seemingly more dissimilar image. It could even return similar images that SD wasn't trained on at all. Even conditioned on providing an SD-generated image, it fails. (Something doing what it claims to do, as opposed to naive image similarity, would actually be pretty cool and useful.)