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If I applied for some kind of corporate dispensation to openly pray the rosary at regular intervals and have a little shrine on my desk, would I be treated equa

If I applied for some kind of corporate dispensation to openly pray the rosary at regular intervals and have a little shrine on my desk, would I be treated equally to an employee with a little trans flag display on their desk? Surely one is more socially acceptable than the other, but couldn't the simultaneous observance of both accommodations create an uncomfortable workplace environment for both of them? If I were a Muslim with one legally recognized wife and two common law wives, could I bring all three of them to a corporate event and introduce them as my wives? Surely such an employee is also entitled to five prayer breaks, with facilities adequate to support the correct movements (this type of fact pattern has lead to much recent litigation and multiple 8-9 figure settlements). If I were a practitioner of some version reconstructed Roman paganism, would I be permitted to perform the sacrificial augury ritual during a quarterly budget meeting? If not, why not? Should Scientologists be permitted to administer e-meters to co-workers on company property during mealtimes and other breaks? Should a Jewish employee be permitted to wear a Star of David flag pin to work if it causes offense to Palestinian employees working at the same facility? If not, why not? Should a Black Hebrew Israelite be permitted to discuss popular documentary films produced by their co-religionists on religious topics with co-workers on company property, given that such beliefs are intrinsic to their religious identities, or should they be terminated for even mentioning content from such films because it can cause offense to others? In practice our corporations require a sort of rainbow-neutered-prozac-addicted-egalitarian-Protestant-tinged secularism, but the expansive rhetoric invites a lot of limit-pushing behavior. It cannot possibly be stable, but I think all those fascinating contradictions help to explain why so many corporate employees eat so many pills every single day.

projectazorian 4y ago
> If I applied for some kind of corporate dispensation to openly pray the rosary at regular intervals and have a little shrine on my desk, would I be treated equally to an employee with a little trans flag display on their desk? Surely one is more socially acceptable than the other, but couldn't the simultaneous observance of both accommodations create an uncomfortable workplace environment for both of them? Yes it would probably be permitted, but I think most people would know you are trolling, and I also doubt this hypothetical trans employee would really care much > If I were a Muslim with one legally recognized wife and two common law wives, could I bring all three of them to a corporate event and introduce them as my wives? Surely such an employee is also entitled to five prayer breaks, with facilities adequate to support the correct movements (this type of fact pattern has lead to much recent litigation and multiple 8-9 figure settlements). Many corporate campuses have facilities available for use as prayer rooms, this isn’t that unusual. As for “this fact pattern has led to “multiple 8-9 figure settlements,” going to need a citation on that one > If I were a practitioner of some version reconstructed Roman paganism, would I be permitted to perform the sacrificial augury ritual during a quarterly budget meeting? If not, why not? This is trolling, not going to bother to respond to this one > Should Scientologists be permitted to administer e-meters to co-workers on company property during mealtimes and other breaks? Non-solicitation policies prohibit this sort of thing, which is one reason why most employers have them > Should a Jewish employee be permitted to wear a Star of David flag pin to work if it causes offense to Palestinian employees working at the same facility? If not, why not? Permitted? Probably yes, if it follows the corporate dress code, but expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work often has informal implications for one career > Should a Black Hebrew Israelite be permitted to discuss popular documentary films produced by their co-religionists on religious topics with co-workers on company property, given that such beliefs are intrinsic to their religious identities, or should they be terminated for even mentioning content from such films because it can cause offense to others? Non-solicitation would prohibit this (also again trolling)
- tom_ 4y ago
  Even though God does not exist, let us suppose for one moment that he did: you would be doing his work.
- kdkdkdjd 4y ago
  Let me get this straight: according to you,devout Catholicism could only be trolling, never genuine. A Jew mildly expressing their faith should be punished in their career, and "expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work" is career limiting.. but a trans flag is fine, because even though that's a controversial political topic, it's the correct opinion, right? One might even say that political opinions that are "correct" are fine, like the trans flag, but ones that aren't are obviously trolling.. like wearing a star of David? If only there was a term for this
  - projectazorian 4y ago
    > devout Catholicism could only be trolling, never genuine I’ve known many devout Catholics, not one of them ever constructed a devotional shrine at their place of work; it’s not really a part of modern Catholic religious practice, even among more traditional Catholics. > A Jew mildly expressing their faith should be punished in their career, and "expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work" is career limiting.. but a trans flag is fine, because even though that's a controversial political topic, it's the correct opinion, right? If you think people who display the trans flag at work don’t experience career limiting consequences informally, even at allegedly inclusive companies, you are very naive. I mean, how many openly LGBTQ tech industry leaders can you name who were out before being at the pinnacle of the industry? > One might even say that political opinions that are "correct" are fine, like the trans flag, but ones that aren't are obviously trolling.. like wearing a star of David? OP did not say “Star of David,” they said a “Star of David flag,” ie the flag of the State of Israel, a nation-state. They are not the same thing. People wear religious symbols like the Christian cross, the Star of David, etc all the time at work and it’s not really an issue.
- edgyquant 4y ago
  Why is a catholic who brings their religion to work “trolling?” Seems like you have a serious bias
TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
Your presentation is extreme, but it does highlight the fact that the race/gender definition of diversity is not particularly diverse. For one thing it ignores religion and class. But it also ignores a good few decades of research into personality disorders, which suggests that the people you absolutely do not want to hire are the Cluster B types. A "diverse" workplace run by narcissists and sociopaths is going to be toxic and anti-productive no matter what the gender/race balance is.
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  > "A "diverse" workplace run by narcissists and sociopaths is going to be toxic and anti-productive no matter what the gender/race balance is." Don't worry, the borderlines will drive them away. :P
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    Yeah, this comment of mine deserved a down vote.
    - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
      Not that comment, the one above it that I can't delete or edit anymore. Oh well, it was nice being at 300 points for a while. I'll eventually get back there.

projectazorian 4y ago

> If I applied for some kind of corporate dispensation to openly pray the rosary at regular intervals and have a little shrine on my desk, would I be treated equally to an employee with a little trans flag display on their desk? Surely one is more socially acceptable than the other, but couldn't the simultaneous observance of both accommodations create an uncomfortable workplace environment for both of them? Yes it would probably be permitted, but I think most people would know you are trolling, and I also doubt this hypothetical trans employee would really care much > If I were a Muslim with one legally recognized wife and two common law wives, could I bring all three of them to a corporate event and introduce them as my wives? Surely such an employee is also entitled to five prayer breaks, with facilities adequate to support the correct movements (this type of fact pattern has lead to much recent litigation and multiple 8-9 figure settlements). Many corporate campuses have facilities available for use as prayer rooms, this isn’t that unusual. As for “this fact pattern has led to “multiple 8-9 figure settlements,” going to need a citation on that one > If I were a practitioner of some version reconstructed Roman paganism, would I be permitted to perform the sacrificial augury ritual during a quarterly budget meeting? If not, why not? This is trolling, not going to bother to respond to this one > Should Scientologists be permitted to administer e-meters to co-workers on company property during mealtimes and other breaks? Non-solicitation policies prohibit this sort of thing, which is one reason why most employers have them > Should a Jewish employee be permitted to wear a Star of David flag pin to work if it causes offense to Palestinian employees working at the same facility? If not, why not? Permitted? Probably yes, if it follows the corporate dress code, but expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work often has informal implications for one career > Should a Black Hebrew Israelite be permitted to discuss popular documentary films produced by their co-religionists on religious topics with co-workers on company property, given that such beliefs are intrinsic to their religious identities, or should they be terminated for even mentioning content from such films because it can cause offense to others? Non-solicitation would prohibit this (also again trolling)

tom_ 4y ago
Even though God does not exist, let us suppose for one moment that he did: you would be doing his work.
kdkdkdjd 4y ago
Let me get this straight: according to you,devout Catholicism could only be trolling, never genuine. A Jew mildly expressing their faith should be punished in their career, and "expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work" is career limiting.. but a trans flag is fine, because even though that's a controversial political topic, it's the correct opinion, right? One might even say that political opinions that are "correct" are fine, like the trans flag, but ones that aren't are obviously trolling.. like wearing a star of David? If only there was a term for this
- projectazorian 4y ago
  > devout Catholicism could only be trolling, never genuine I’ve known many devout Catholics, not one of them ever constructed a devotional shrine at their place of work; it’s not really a part of modern Catholic religious practice, even among more traditional Catholics. > A Jew mildly expressing their faith should be punished in their career, and "expressing opinions on controversial political topics at work" is career limiting.. but a trans flag is fine, because even though that's a controversial political topic, it's the correct opinion, right? If you think people who display the trans flag at work don’t experience career limiting consequences informally, even at allegedly inclusive companies, you are very naive. I mean, how many openly LGBTQ tech industry leaders can you name who were out before being at the pinnacle of the industry? > One might even say that political opinions that are "correct" are fine, like the trans flag, but ones that aren't are obviously trolling.. like wearing a star of David? OP did not say “Star of David,” they said a “Star of David flag,” ie the flag of the State of Israel, a nation-state. They are not the same thing. People wear religious symbols like the Christian cross, the Star of David, etc all the time at work and it’s not really an issue.
edgyquant 4y ago
Why is a catholic who brings their religion to work “trolling?” Seems like you have a serious bias

TheOtherHobbes 4y ago

Your presentation is extreme, but it does highlight the fact that the race/gender definition of diversity is not particularly diverse. For one thing it ignores religion and class. But it also ignores a good few decades of research into personality disorders, which suggests that the people you absolutely do not want to hire are the Cluster B types. A "diverse" workplace run by narcissists and sociopaths is going to be toxic and anti-productive no matter what the gender/race balance is.

anonymouskimmer 4y ago
> "A "diverse" workplace run by narcissists and sociopaths is going to be toxic and anti-productive no matter what the gender/race balance is." Don't worry, the borderlines will drive them away. :P
- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  Yeah, this comment of mine deserved a down vote.
  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    Not that comment, the one above it that I can't delete or edit anymore. Oh well, it was nice being at 300 points for a while. I'll eventually get back there.