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I would not be so adamant about this if the quality of the individuals telling us the government has significant classified data that shows the ET hypothesis be

I would not be so adamant about this if the quality of the individuals telling us the government has significant classified data that shows the ET hypothesis best fits what the pilots are seeing. You are the one being unreasonable and not listening to these individuals. Pilots are not the only ones seeing this. Ukrainian astronomers have data from their telescopes in two different cities referencing the same objects traveling at Mach 15, stopping on a dime, then turning around immediately https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 As for the negative mass comment, here's a patent by the navy for an inertial mass reduction device https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en we have theories that is grounded in our current understanding of physics for superluminal travel. it's not insane to think a species 1 million years ahead of us have engineered it

scotty79 4y ago
> quality of the individuals This is just appeal to authority. And wrong authority at that. When you are debunking a supernatural claim you don't ask a scientist to do it (let alone a general). Because scientists are honest thus easily mislead because they assume honesty. You should ask a magician because they know myriad of ways how it could be done to fool you. As for the patent ... Do you know how many versions of perpetum mobile are patented? Do you know how many do work? The thing doesn't have to work to be patented.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientists are not so easily fooled, and there are several scientists with pedigrees far higher than you or any magician you'd hire that are studying this subject. Dr. Gary Nolan of Stanford, Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard, Dr. Eric Davis a theoretical physicist. IMO you are simply stuck in the wrong mindset if you don't think this is a serious subject.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.
    - likeabbas 4y ago
      There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked. Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my opinion. Please keep it at the back of your mind for the rest of your life. From now on I'm staying out of this particular conversation.
        likeabbas 4y ago

scotty79 4y ago

> quality of the individuals This is just appeal to authority. And wrong authority at that. When you are debunking a supernatural claim you don't ask a scientist to do it (let alone a general). Because scientists are honest thus easily mislead because they assume honesty. You should ask a magician because they know myriad of ways how it could be done to fool you. As for the patent ... Do you know how many versions of perpetum mobile are patented? Do you know how many do work? The thing doesn't have to work to be patented.

likeabbas 4y ago
I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientists are not so easily fooled, and there are several scientists with pedigrees far higher than you or any magician you'd hire that are studying this subject. Dr. Gary Nolan of Stanford, Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard, Dr. Eric Davis a theoretical physicist. IMO you are simply stuck in the wrong mindset if you don't think this is a serious subject.
- scotty79 4y ago
  I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    There’s also a history of humans not being able to accept something radically different when being presented evidence of it. In this case, that appears to be happening to you. Please, just stay out of this conversation. Let the real scientists like Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb continue to investigate this subject as they please. Whatever this phenomenon ends up being, your opinions are not going to help us find that out.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      UFOs are not radically different idea with recent evidence. It's literally more than half a century old secular religion which "evidence" for never panned out into anything or were thoroughly debunked. Gary Nolan and Avi Loeb will die of old age before they can deliver actual proof of alien technology exactly as every scientist and layman did so far. If they explain those artifacts it won't be aliens. That's just my opinion. Please keep it at the back of your mind for the rest of your life. From now on I'm staying out of this particular conversation.
      - likeabbas 4y ago