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Balloon shot: Highest altitude Air to Air engagement ever recorded (Claim)

themodelplumber 4y ago
Kármán line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line Referenced due to mention of previous Air to Space engagement by F-15 Eagle carrying ASM-135 ASAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT F-22 pilot in the balloon shot apparently used an AIM-9X missile, and debris fell into 47 feet of water: https://www.ssj.news/news/americas/2023-02-05/efforts-underway-to-study-chinese-surveillance-balloon-after-downed.php https://www.ssj.news/news/americas/2023-02-05/efforts-underw... AIM-9X capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7n8I2_Dkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7n8I2_Dkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ Some are reporting (Ward Carroll) that the missile was released without a typical warhead configuration (missile-body kinetic kill only). This in the context of an awkwardly-handled political-diplomatic messaging transition on China's part: https://twitter.com/SariArhoHavren/status/1622158273464991748 https://twitter.com/SariArhoHavren/status/162215827346499174... Pentagon confirms 3x Chinese balloon flyovers of the US during prior administration: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/32...
32gbsd 4y ago
Shooting it seemed to be a bad idea for some reason.
- theGeatZhopa 4y ago
  Yeah somehow. Why couldn't they just keep still without saying anything, get that thing down without destroying it too much. Make analysation and whatever they want to do, hack the elektronics.. And then just give it back like ohh ye, by the way here.. fell from the sky. Nearly killed one. If you do this next time, may be we can collaborate? Lol
- ggm 4y ago
  De-amplifying the risk and pointing out that 3 were seen under the prior administration and nothing was done along side the ubiquity of LEO sats with high quality RF and optics. Starlink's next generation of LEO orbitals will pick up Mobile phone device signals to provide service: So what exactly is the benefit of a balloon? It says nothing about Chinese intelligence, and maybe quite a lot about the lack of coordination in remote earth sensing between nation states using the jetstream this happened this way. They should be chastised for not reporting it, assuming somebody at NOAA or the American Academy of Sciences didn't in fact get a heads-up. Shooting it was performative reactive management and did nothing particularly useful in the geo politics space. Like everything, it was targetted domestically inside the USA
Hatrix 4y ago
Seems like they could have used a laser to make holes in the balloon. Maybe disable antennas too.

Kármán line: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n_line Referenced due to mention of previous Air to Space engagement by F-15 Eagle carrying ASM-135 ASAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT F-22 pilot in the balloon shot apparently used an AIM-9X missile, and debris fell into 47 feet of water: https://www.ssj.news/news/americas/2023-02-05/efforts-underway-to-study-chinese-surveillance-balloon-after-downed.php https://www.ssj.news/news/americas/2023-02-05/efforts-underw... AIM-9X capabilities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7n8I2_Dkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7n8I2_Dkc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YMSfg26YSQ Some are reporting (Ward Carroll) that the missile was released without a typical warhead configuration (missile-body kinetic kill only). This in the context of an awkwardly-handled political-diplomatic messaging transition on China's part: https://twitter.com/SariArhoHavren/status/1622158273464991748 https://twitter.com/SariArhoHavren/status/162215827346499174... Pentagon confirms 3x Chinese balloon flyovers of the US during prior administration: https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/ https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/32...

32gbsd 4y ago

Shooting it seemed to be a bad idea for some reason.

theGeatZhopa 4y ago
Yeah somehow. Why couldn't they just keep still without saying anything, get that thing down without destroying it too much. Make analysation and whatever they want to do, hack the elektronics.. And then just give it back like ohh ye, by the way here.. fell from the sky. Nearly killed one. If you do this next time, may be we can collaborate? Lol
ggm 4y ago
De-amplifying the risk and pointing out that 3 were seen under the prior administration and nothing was done along side the ubiquity of LEO sats with high quality RF and optics. Starlink's next generation of LEO orbitals will pick up Mobile phone device signals to provide service: So what exactly is the benefit of a balloon? It says nothing about Chinese intelligence, and maybe quite a lot about the lack of coordination in remote earth sensing between nation states using the jetstream this happened this way. They should be chastised for not reporting it, assuming somebody at NOAA or the American Academy of Sciences didn't in fact get a heads-up. Shooting it was performative reactive management and did nothing particularly useful in the geo politics space. Like everything, it was targetted domestically inside the USA

Hatrix 4y ago

Seems like they could have used a laser to make holes in the balloon. Maybe disable antennas too.