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Everything is impossible until it is done. We have been to space. We have theories that FTL travel may be possible (Alcubierre drives, wormholes). The JWST jus

Everything is impossible until it is done. We have been to space. We have theories that FTL travel may be possible (Alcubierre drives, wormholes). The JWST just showed us that galaxies formed as early as 300 million years after the Big Bang. Hell, we didn't know there were planets outside of our solar system until the 1990s. We still don't know what Dark Matter or Dark Energy are. We have far more left to explore and understand. I despise people like you who try to diminish every important scientific venture because you think you know better.

scotty79 4y ago
> Everything is impossible until it is done. And some things just remain impossible. They laughed at Galileo but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. I think there's huge probabiliy that aliens really do exist. But they are nowhere close. And we don't have any resonable theories about FTL. They sound reasonable up to a point of "yeah, but you need negative mass to do that". So basically it's an artefact that equations produce when they are pushed to the domain they are no longer valid in. Best scientific venture about alien life is SETI and JWST. Not some nonsense of pilots seeing things they believe to be violating the laws of physics. And some recordings of instruments that just show wrong data. People like you mix science with science-fiction and that really does no good for either.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  I would not be so adamant about this if the quality of the individuals telling us the government has significant classified data that shows the ET hypothesis best fits what the pilots are seeing. You are the one being unreasonable and not listening to these individuals. Pilots are not the only ones seeing this. Ukrainian astronomers have data from their telescopes in two different cities referencing the same objects traveling at Mach 15, stopping on a dime, then turning around immediately https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 As for the negative mass comment, here's a patent by the navy for an inertial mass reduction device https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en we have theories that is grounded in our current understanding of physics for superluminal travel. it's not insane to think a species 1 million years ahead of us have engineered it
  - scotty79 4y ago
    > quality of the individuals This is just appeal to authority. And wrong authority at that. When you are debunking a supernatural claim you don't ask a scientist to do it (let alone a general). Because scientists are honest thus easily mislead because they assume honesty. You should ask a magician because they know myriad of ways how it could be done to fool you. As for the patent ... Do you know how many versions of perpetum mobile are patented? Do you know how many do work? The thing doesn't have to work to be patented.
    - likeabbas 4y ago
      I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientists are not so easily fooled, and there are several scientists with pedigrees far higher than you or any magician you'd hire that are studying this subject. Dr. Gary Nolan of Stanford, Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard, Dr. Eric Davis a theoretical physicist. IMO you are simply stuck in the wrong mindset if you don't think this is a serious subject.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.
        4y ago
- gfodor 4y ago
  You don't need FTL travel to reach Earth from somewhere else in the Milky Way, if you don't mind waiting a long time to arrive. Which unmanned probes would not. Your confidence in your assertions just demonstrates you haven't thought about explanations that are less likely but still coherent with non-human technology being present in Earth's atmosphere.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    So those aliens traveled for thousands of years (probably in multigenerational spaceship or deep anabiosis) from a place that close relatively speaking but somehow still undetectable for us despite thousands of years of interstellar technology development there just to be blips on our radars and visual smudge here and there. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and "we don't know what's that" is not an extraordinary evidence.
    - gfodor 4y ago
      Why do you assume the UAPs have aliens in them, and why would you anthropomorphize aliens in any case to be anything like humans? Why do you assume the origin of such objects would be detectable? You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here, when the only core question being explored is the plausibility of physical objects in Earth's atmostphere demonstrating superhuman technology not created by humans. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is just a meaningless phrase by the way mostly used in discussions like these to try to signal that the person is somehow more "scientifically minded" than their interlocutor. There's no such thing as "extraordinary evidence", there's just evidence and the explanations which best explain that evidence.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        Why do you assume aliens are here (or their tech) ? The evidence against aliens here is just the entirety of physics and history. I consider it to be extraordinary.
        4y ago

scotty79 4y ago

> Everything is impossible until it is done. And some things just remain impossible. They laughed at Galileo but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. I think there's huge probabiliy that aliens really do exist. But they are nowhere close. And we don't have any resonable theories about FTL. They sound reasonable up to a point of "yeah, but you need negative mass to do that". So basically it's an artefact that equations produce when they are pushed to the domain they are no longer valid in. Best scientific venture about alien life is SETI and JWST. Not some nonsense of pilots seeing things they believe to be violating the laws of physics. And some recordings of instruments that just show wrong data. People like you mix science with science-fiction and that really does no good for either.

likeabbas 4y ago
I would not be so adamant about this if the quality of the individuals telling us the government has significant classified data that shows the ET hypothesis best fits what the pilots are seeing. You are the one being unreasonable and not listening to these individuals. Pilots are not the only ones seeing this. Ukrainian astronomers have data from their telescopes in two different cities referencing the same objects traveling at Mach 15, stopping on a dime, then turning around immediately https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 https://arxiv.org/abs/2211.17085 As for the negative mass comment, here's a patent by the navy for an inertial mass reduction device https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en we have theories that is grounded in our current understanding of physics for superluminal travel. it's not insane to think a species 1 million years ahead of us have engineered it
- scotty79 4y ago
  > quality of the individuals This is just appeal to authority. And wrong authority at that. When you are debunking a supernatural claim you don't ask a scientist to do it (let alone a general). Because scientists are honest thus easily mislead because they assume honesty. You should ask a magician because they know myriad of ways how it could be done to fool you. As for the patent ... Do you know how many versions of perpetum mobile are patented? Do you know how many do work? The thing doesn't have to work to be patented.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    I honesty have no clue what you're trying to say with your statement from scientists. Science is the way forward with our understanding of phenomenon. Scientists are not so easily fooled, and there are several scientists with pedigrees far higher than you or any magician you'd hire that are studying this subject. Dr. Gary Nolan of Stanford, Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard, Dr. Eric Davis a theoretical physicist. IMO you are simply stuck in the wrong mindset if you don't think this is a serious subject.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      I'm basically saying this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml https://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/2002/homeopathy.shtml There's a history of scientists being fooled by supernatural claims. There are even some Nobel laureates that after success in science as they get older they go straight to cookooland. Heck, even Newton who achieved much in his youth when he got older he went completely bananas. Being a scientist doesn't guard you against getting fooled and fooling yourself. This is not a serious subject. It's a form of modern religion and local one at that. Most prominent in USA. Believing that in our lifetime we discovered signs of advanced alien tech on Earth is not very different than believing that in your lifetime you'll experience second coming of Christ. A belief that was shared by a lot of people for last 2 millenia. Don't get me wrong. I love science fiction. I just don't need to pretend it might be real to enjoy it.
      - 4y ago
gfodor 4y ago
You don't need FTL travel to reach Earth from somewhere else in the Milky Way, if you don't mind waiting a long time to arrive. Which unmanned probes would not. Your confidence in your assertions just demonstrates you haven't thought about explanations that are less likely but still coherent with non-human technology being present in Earth's atmosphere.
- scotty79 4y ago
  So those aliens traveled for thousands of years (probably in multigenerational spaceship or deep anabiosis) from a place that close relatively speaking but somehow still undetectable for us despite thousands of years of interstellar technology development there just to be blips on our radars and visual smudge here and there. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and "we don't know what's that" is not an extraordinary evidence.
  - gfodor 4y ago
    Why do you assume the UAPs have aliens in them, and why would you anthropomorphize aliens in any case to be anything like humans? Why do you assume the origin of such objects would be detectable? You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here, when the only core question being explored is the plausibility of physical objects in Earth's atmostphere demonstrating superhuman technology not created by humans. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" is just a meaningless phrase by the way mostly used in discussions like these to try to signal that the person is somehow more "scientifically minded" than their interlocutor. There's no such thing as "extraordinary evidence", there's just evidence and the explanations which best explain that evidence.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      Why do you assume aliens are here (or their tech) ? The evidence against aliens here is just the entirety of physics and history. I consider it to be extraordinary.
      - 4y ago