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Sorry but you can’t opt out; you’re either part of it and therefore part of the team, or you’re not and first on the chopping block when tough decisions get mad
by SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
Sorry but you can’t opt out; you’re either part of it and therefore part of the team, or you’re not and first on the chopping block when tough decisions get made.
Punch in/punch out mentality has its place, but if you don’t have one of those jobs, the mismatch will eventually become unbearable for one side or the other.
I think that’s where all this is leading; WFH roles will be smaller in scope, lower in salary (not CoL but lower responsibility), and much more focused on churning out work decided by the folks in the office who work as a team to grow the company.
Maybe you’ll be happy with that role. Most won’t.
- monero-xmr 4y agoActually I own the company and everyone is remote (hundreds of people). I have lost entry level hires because they didn’t like remote only. Now we don’t hire recent college grads anymore. I want everyone to work hard when they are working and enjoy their life when they aren’t working.
- dahart 4y agoThat’s pretty interesting as the owner to switch to not hiring juniors after they expressed trouble with remote work. Is this sustainable? Wrt your top comment, it’s probably worth acknowledging that work mentoring and water-cooler banter are two completely different work-social activities. People do need mentoring, even senior level hires, and without it, people are not going to succeed as often. How do you ensure mentoring is working with all-remote work? (I do think there are things you can do remotely, but as a senior developer, I have watched juniors struggling during the pandemic, and I don’t have the choice to stop hiring juniors.)
- toomuchtodo 4y agoIf their budget allows for it, there will always be enough seniors to hire that they don’t have to eat the cost of training juniors who aren’t compatible with their operating model. Let that be someone else’s problem if you can (and then hire who’ve they’ve developed away with the offer of remote work). It has not been my experience that senior folks need mentoring, only culture and people ops guidance (as every org is different in that regard). Coaching (distinctly different than mentoring) can be done between peers remotely.
- dahart 4y agoThat’s definitely true for one company, but of course can’t work for all companies. And even so, mentoring is still an important task, not to mention many other aspects of work communication that aren’t automatically enabled with Slack and email, so I’m genuinely curious how to make it as good remotely as it used to be in-person.
- toomuchtodo 4y agoSure. What I have seen work is the mentor sitting in on video or conf calls as a regular participant, taking notes, and then coaching room for improvement one on one with those being coached. Praise in public, constructively critique in private. Observe, communicate, improve, repeat.
- monero-xmr 4y agoThere’s a bunch of reasons I don’t want entry level people around, in general the drama is a lot higher and the dice rolling is more significant on whether they work out. We do 6 month internships and students either take a sabbatical or their college has co-op programs for longer interns, and if they are good and can work remote effectively, we will hire them once they graduate. Otherwise it’s 2+ years experience and up only and we strongly prefer more experienced people. You need to be self-motivated as no one is watching you, and the people in their 30s+ are typically much better at this.
- SpeedilyDamage 4y ago> We are fully remote > we can’t train new devs Yeah, I think it’s clear what’s going on here to folks who aren’t you.
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- civilized 4y agoThe future is juniors learning how to work in structured office jobs, and if they become senior they are given more flexibility.