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This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a cross

This seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.

swagasaurus-rex 4y ago
Seen through instrumentation, aberrations or artefacts from the sensors, or even active jamming could explain the instantaneous acceleration
- mitthrowaway2 4y ago
  That's true, but "abberations or artefacts" are more of a low-effort non-explanation than an explanation, and unlikely to satisfy anyone who isn't already skeptical. Active jamming is... the kind of role that a high-intensity two-photon laser would be being tested for.
  - JKCalhoun 4y ago
    What would a "high-intensity two-photon laser" be? A two-photon X-ray laser?
    - traverseda 4y ago
      https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma
    - mitthrowaway2 4y ago
      Ah, I don't mean that the laser outputs only two photons, but that it (might) be designed around 2-photon interactions, so if you have two very-high-intensity IR lasers and the beams meet at a point in space, that crossing point could locally ionize the air as though it consisted of a beam of photons with higher energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics
likeabbas 4y ago
It absolutely could be an adversary spoofing our sensor systems. But, I would argue the testimonies of the 4 pilots that saw the object with their own eyes may rule that out (unless it was some kind of hologram). Whatever it is, we need to further study it because more and more military pilots are seeing them and their military exercises are being disrupted
- mitthrowaway2 4y ago
  That's the thing! A high-intensity laser (or microwave, etc) can certainly produce a visible phenomenon, through heating or ionization of the air, scattering, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be visible through sensors only.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    It totally could be. I have to wonder where the laser would be shot off from though. Either a satellite above, which we should see, or a submarine/ship near by, which should be tracked on sonar. Whatever it is, we need to find out. I’m not 100% on the ET hypothesis. This could be human tech and just spoofing. But we need to know
- traverseda 4y ago
  A ball of super heated plasma would show up visually.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    Have you heard Cmdr Dave Fravor’s testimony of the incident? A ball plasma does not exhibit intelligent movement as the way the tic tac began to mirror him as he descended on to it
    - mitthrowaway2 4y ago
      What if the ball plasma was the product of the end of someone's high-power gimbal-mounted laser, which they were intelligently steering while watching him fly?
traverseda 4y ago
Yep, seems like the obvious answer. Especially as these phenomenon are mostly observed near military installations and places with a lot of power generation capability.
andbberger 4y ago
ion beam. look at the energy dissipation rate charts for ion beams in matter.
- traverseda 4y ago
  I suppose that works as a weapon, and would be electromagnetically steerable. Not exactly safe but...
saiya-jin 4y ago
We have already existing phenomena - ball lighting. It can spawn in the middle of nowhere, scorch stuff or people, go through walls, disappear, move slowly or relatively fast... my father saw once down their street, with these characteristics (without harming anybody). That it can also jump around at non-trivial speed and doing maneuvers impossible to current technology is not that hard to imagine. And that's just one example I came up just now. Given how many hoaxes exist, how many people blindly believe basically anything, how many folks happily take advantage of that at any cost, and host of other known facts, very very hard skepticism is in place. Oh and since its HN, we all know all software has tons of bugs, including military stuff. But no, little green men have nothing else to do just show off mostly to US air force but otherwise be untraceable, and watch us kill each other and whole ecosystem over stupid stuff.
jnurmine 4y ago
This is what I've been pondering too as a possible terrestrial explanation. Perhaps some fancy machinery can beam modified waveforms not only with microwaves, but with frequencies high enough to reach infrared and/or visible light. And perhaps some kind of an elongated blob is the state of the art now. And later, as the technology matures, one might expect more detailed movie-prop like "UFOs" to appear. Hoping to see a TIE fighter or Jetsons' space car soon.

swagasaurus-rex 4y ago

Seen through instrumentation, aberrations or artefacts from the sensors, or even active jamming could explain the instantaneous acceleration

mitthrowaway2 4y ago
That's true, but "abberations or artefacts" are more of a low-effort non-explanation than an explanation, and unlikely to satisfy anyone who isn't already skeptical. Active jamming is... the kind of role that a high-intensity two-photon laser would be being tested for.
- JKCalhoun 4y ago
  What would a "high-intensity two-photon laser" be? A two-photon X-ray laser?
  - traverseda 4y ago
    https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma
  - mitthrowaway2 4y ago
    Ah, I don't mean that the laser outputs only two photons, but that it (might) be designed around 2-photon interactions, so if you have two very-high-intensity IR lasers and the beams meet at a point in space, that crossing point could locally ionize the air as though it consisted of a beam of photons with higher energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics

likeabbas 4y ago

It absolutely could be an adversary spoofing our sensor systems. But, I would argue the testimonies of the 4 pilots that saw the object with their own eyes may rule that out (unless it was some kind of hologram). Whatever it is, we need to further study it because more and more military pilots are seeing them and their military exercises are being disrupted

mitthrowaway2 4y ago
That's the thing! A high-intensity laser (or microwave, etc) can certainly produce a visible phenomenon, through heating or ionization of the air, scattering, etc. It wouldn't necessarily be visible through sensors only.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  It totally could be. I have to wonder where the laser would be shot off from though. Either a satellite above, which we should see, or a submarine/ship near by, which should be tracked on sonar. Whatever it is, we need to find out. I’m not 100% on the ET hypothesis. This could be human tech and just spoofing. But we need to know
traverseda 4y ago
A ball of super heated plasma would show up visually.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  Have you heard Cmdr Dave Fravor’s testimony of the incident? A ball plasma does not exhibit intelligent movement as the way the tic tac began to mirror him as he descended on to it
  - mitthrowaway2 4y ago
    What if the ball plasma was the product of the end of someone's high-power gimbal-mounted laser, which they were intelligently steering while watching him fly?

traverseda 4y ago

Yep, seems like the obvious answer. Especially as these phenomenon are mostly observed near military installations and places with a lot of power generation capability.

andbberger 4y ago

ion beam. look at the energy dissipation rate charts for ion beams in matter.

traverseda 4y ago
I suppose that works as a weapon, and would be electromagnetically steerable. Not exactly safe but...

saiya-jin 4y ago

We have already existing phenomena - ball lighting. It can spawn in the middle of nowhere, scorch stuff or people, go through walls, disappear, move slowly or relatively fast... my father saw once down their street, with these characteristics (without harming anybody). That it can also jump around at non-trivial speed and doing maneuvers impossible to current technology is not that hard to imagine. And that's just one example I came up just now. Given how many hoaxes exist, how many people blindly believe basically anything, how many folks happily take advantage of that at any cost, and host of other known facts, very very hard skepticism is in place. Oh and since its HN, we all know all software has tons of bugs, including military stuff. But no, little green men have nothing else to do just show off mostly to US air force but otherwise be untraceable, and watch us kill each other and whole ecosystem over stupid stuff.

jnurmine 4y ago

This is what I've been pondering too as a possible terrestrial explanation. Perhaps some fancy machinery can beam modified waveforms not only with microwaves, but with frequencies high enough to reach infrared and/or visible light. And perhaps some kind of an elongated blob is the state of the art now. And later, as the technology matures, one might expect more detailed movie-prop like "UFOs" to appear. Hoping to see a TIE fighter or Jetsons' space car soon.