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If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y https://yo

If you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin.

scotty79 4y ago
> these would be non-human in origin. So they must be natural in origin. There's no other option.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  The direct quote from former DoD officials is that these aircraft are most a likely non-human intelligence.
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JKCalhoun 4y ago
If they're non-human in origin then the whole thing is even less actionable. We're not going to learn the secrets of hyper drive just because the military acknowledges that these are real phenomena.
- blep_ 4y ago
  I don't know. We would learn that some things are possible which we thought were impossible, which means physics took a wrong turn somewhere and we need to back up and keep looking. Even if it's not the secrets of hyper drive, that's probably going to lead to something interesting.
- nprateem 4y ago
  If they are real and non human maybe we can communicate with them and they can tell us. Highly unlikely based on their interest in our nukes and our obvious penchant for war
nl 4y ago
> We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin I don't agree with this at all. Firstly I suspect it isn't real. But if it is then I think it's most likely some human group has a technological breakthrough and it using it like this. Say a US adversary wanted to give a "don't fuck with us" message to the US military. Outperforming state-of-the-art US fighters would be a good way to do it. And just because the HN forum commentators don't know who it is doesn't mean the US intelligence community doesn't know. It might be broadly known that the Kamerians have access to this tech, and the knowledge is classified "to avoid broad panic". There might be secret briefing to congress about it, which would explain perfectly why there is an apparent lack of action. All responses are classified.
- nprateem 4y ago
  If a foreign adversary had invented such tech, the West would have sanctioned the country into the ground to stop them producing more. So it's either the US but they claim it's not them, and they keep doing more investigations, or they're not human. I don't buy the faulty sensor argument given multiple corroborating sources.
  - nl 4y ago
    It's impossible to say with such certainty what the reaction would be. What if the country that developed it was a Western-aligned country like Japan, Israel or France? What if the country was a country like Russia or Cuba, and has had this tech since before the fall of the Berlin wall and the US intelligence community wanted to keep it secret? What if the country was a country that is under Western sanctions for other reasons but those reasons were a pretext? For example, if the developer was Iran or North Korea how would you tell the difference without access to classified information? What if the country was able to blackmail the US into not imposing sanctions? How would you distinguish between that an US foreign policy towards a country like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? What if the country was a historically neutral mid-power where there is significant downside in sanctioning them (for example Switzerland)? What if some elements of the US intelligence community support working with the foreign power and others don't? There are just too many possibilities to judge the veracity of a theory like this by looking at US foreign policy?

scotty79 4y ago

> these would be non-human in origin. So they must be natural in origin. There's no other option.

likeabbas 4y ago
The direct quote from former DoD officials is that these aircraft are most a likely non-human intelligence.
- scotty79 4y ago
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JKCalhoun 4y ago

If they're non-human in origin then the whole thing is even less actionable. We're not going to learn the secrets of hyper drive just because the military acknowledges that these are real phenomena.

blep_ 4y ago
I don't know. We would learn that some things are possible which we thought were impossible, which means physics took a wrong turn somewhere and we need to back up and keep looking. Even if it's not the secrets of hyper drive, that's probably going to lead to something interesting.
nprateem 4y ago
If they are real and non human maybe we can communicate with them and they can tell us. Highly unlikely based on their interest in our nukes and our obvious penchant for war

nl 4y ago

> We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin I don't agree with this at all. Firstly I suspect it isn't real. But if it is then I think it's most likely some human group has a technological breakthrough and it using it like this. Say a US adversary wanted to give a "don't fuck with us" message to the US military. Outperforming state-of-the-art US fighters would be a good way to do it. And just because the HN forum commentators don't know who it is doesn't mean the US intelligence community doesn't know. It might be broadly known that the Kamerians have access to this tech, and the knowledge is classified "to avoid broad panic". There might be secret briefing to congress about it, which would explain perfectly why there is an apparent lack of action. All responses are classified.

nprateem 4y ago
If a foreign adversary had invented such tech, the West would have sanctioned the country into the ground to stop them producing more. So it's either the US but they claim it's not them, and they keep doing more investigations, or they're not human. I don't buy the faulty sensor argument given multiple corroborating sources.
- nl 4y ago
  It's impossible to say with such certainty what the reaction would be. What if the country that developed it was a Western-aligned country like Japan, Israel or France? What if the country was a country like Russia or Cuba, and has had this tech since before the fall of the Berlin wall and the US intelligence community wanted to keep it secret? What if the country was a country that is under Western sanctions for other reasons but those reasons were a pretext? For example, if the developer was Iran or North Korea how would you tell the difference without access to classified information? What if the country was able to blackmail the US into not imposing sanctions? How would you distinguish between that an US foreign policy towards a country like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia? What if the country was a historically neutral mid-power where there is significant downside in sanctioning them (for example Switzerland)? What if some elements of the US intelligence community support working with the foreign power and others don't? There are just too many possibilities to judge the veracity of a theory like this by looking at US foreign policy?