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>and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement. Hmm I'm doubtful about this. It would be very unlike him. I found his explanation qui

by ttpphd 4y ago

>and he refuses to look at other evidence that contradicts the statement. Hmm I'm doubtful about this. It would be very unlike him. I found his explanation quite illuminating, and the pilot he had a back and forth with was interesting. It's been a few months since I checked but last I did, I was satisfied that Mick made a good case for why the others are wrong about the distance.

likeabbas 4y ago
There’s nothing to doubt. It’s all on Twitter. TheCholla has done a fantastic job showing here what f18s look like at different distances on FLIR https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=20&t=q1MwVO9NIEr9RxuDodgV1A https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=... Mick refuses to accept the fact the distance is 6-8nm as the pilots stated it was shown on their SAs. Ryan Graves asked Mick to present his analysis at a coalition of former military pilots for them to debate him, but he said he was “too busy”. Again, mick does a great job debunking things that should be debunked. But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was
- scotty79 4y ago
  > But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was ... farther than instruments indicated ... Which still beats "it's aliens" by a long shot.
  - likeabbas 4y ago
    Multiple of the most sophisticated instruments for this purpose on the planet are capturing this data. If the US was flying F18s that misconstrued the range of a foreign adversary by over 20 nautical miles, that would be a huge story in of itself.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      You trust the tech way too much to the point of not being able to confidently reject the impossible. This woderful US military tech tracked a guy in Afghanistan for a day and bombed him thinking that water he was carrying home to his children is explosive and he's a terrorist. It's not aliens.
      - likeabbas 4y ago
        I am not rejecting the possibility of this being human technology. to quote the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence “The Alien Hypothesis currently best fits the facts”.
        scotty79 4y ago
        Yeah. But that's impossible. So there, on Earth, are just two kinds of intelligence. Human intelligence and military intelligence. Because there's no alien intelligence here.
        likeabbas 4y ago
        Everything is impossible until it is done. We have been to space. We have theories that FTL travel may be possible (Alcubierre drives, wormholes). The JWST just showed us that galaxies formed as early as 300 million years after the Big Bang. Hell, we didn't know there were planets outside of our solar system until the 1990s. We still don't know what Dark Matter or Dark Energy are. We have far more left to explore and understand. I despise people like you who try to diminish every important scientific venture because you think you know better.
        scotty79 4y ago
        > Everything is impossible until it is done. And some things just remain impossible. They laughed at Galileo but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. I think there's huge probabiliy that aliens really do exist. But they are nowhere close. And we don't have any resonable theories about FTL. They sound reasonable up to a point of "yeah, but you need negative mass to do that". So basically it's an artefact that equations produce when they are pushed to the domain they are no longer valid in. Best scientific venture about alien life is SETI and JWST. Not some nonsense of pilots seeing things they believe to be violating the laws of physics. And some recordings of instruments that just show wrong data. People like you mix science with science-fiction and that really does no good for either.

by ttpphd 4y ago

likeabbas 4y ago

There’s nothing to doubt. It’s all on Twitter. TheCholla has done a fantastic job showing here what f18s look like at different distances on FLIR https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=20&t=q1MwVO9NIEr9RxuDodgV1A https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1598090777950793729?s=... Mick refuses to accept the fact the distance is 6-8nm as the pilots stated it was shown on their SAs. Ryan Graves asked Mick to present his analysis at a coalition of former military pilots for them to debate him, but he said he was “too busy”. Again, mick does a great job debunking things that should be debunked. But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was

scotty79 4y ago
> But you can’t debunk something by claiming the distance of the object was farther than it actually was ... farther than instruments indicated ... Which still beats "it's aliens" by a long shot.
- likeabbas 4y ago
  Multiple of the most sophisticated instruments for this purpose on the planet are capturing this data. If the US was flying F18s that misconstrued the range of a foreign adversary by over 20 nautical miles, that would be a huge story in of itself.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    You trust the tech way too much to the point of not being able to confidently reject the impossible. This woderful US military tech tracked a guy in Afghanistan for a day and bombed him thinking that water he was carrying home to his children is explosive and he's a terrorist. It's not aliens.
    - likeabbas 4y ago
      I am not rejecting the possibility of this being human technology. to quote the former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence “The Alien Hypothesis currently best fits the facts”.
      - scotty79 4y ago
        Yeah. But that's impossible. So there, on Earth, are just two kinds of intelligence. Human intelligence and military intelligence. Because there's no alien intelligence here.
        likeabbas 4y ago
        Everything is impossible until it is done. We have been to space. We have theories that FTL travel may be possible (Alcubierre drives, wormholes). The JWST just showed us that galaxies formed as early as 300 million years after the Big Bang. Hell, we didn't know there were planets outside of our solar system until the 1990s. We still don't know what Dark Matter or Dark Energy are. We have far more left to explore and understand. I despise people like you who try to diminish every important scientific venture because you think you know better.
        scotty79 4y ago
        > Everything is impossible until it is done. And some things just remain impossible. They laughed at Galileo but they also laughed at Bozo the Clown. I think there's huge probabiliy that aliens really do exist. But they are nowhere close. And we don't have any resonable theories about FTL. They sound reasonable up to a point of "yeah, but you need negative mass to do that". So basically it's an artefact that equations produce when they are pushed to the domain they are no longer valid in. Best scientific venture about alien life is SETI and JWST. Not some nonsense of pilots seeing things they believe to be violating the laws of physics. And some recordings of instruments that just show wrong data. People like you mix science with science-fiction and that really does no good for either.