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> a future where none of the kids are born with genetic diseases, predisposition to be obese, or simply stupid or ugly But we're all defective today, one way

> a future where none of the kids are born with genetic diseases, predisposition to be obese, or simply stupid or ugly But we're all defective today, one way or another. It's incredibly rare for someone to be "perfect" genetically speaking, and a lot of those people will have a bad upbringing or something else to hold them back. It's true that being beautiful and above average smart will get you through life so much easier though. Anyway, have you seem Gattaca? It shows how this can become dystopian very quickly. Also, if we weed out "bad genes", we might get a surprise down the line, where those gene were actually essential for out survival as a species, and we might be wiped out by a pandemic or something similar. Yeah, I dunno, eugenics is hard, ethically speaking. Yes, I would have liked to be beautiful...who wouldn't ?

cm2187 4y ago
I have seen Gattaca (a while ago). But if anything it illustrates the point of view of the guy who has to live with a flawed genome (though in the movie a minor imperfection). Isn't it the point of view of the kid who has to live with his below average genome today?
- hgsgm 4y ago
  And then the guy who had an accident gets his life ruined because only the dominant subjective "perfection" is tolerated.
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  - anonymouskimmer 4y ago
    It wasn't an accident. Thus the marketing line for Gattaca: "There is no gene for the human spirit.".
chordalkeyboard 4y ago
> It's incredibly rare for someone to be "perfect" genetically speaking its actually impossible because the only objective measure of gene quality is the performance of the organism and the performance of the organism depends on the environment.
AussieWog93 4y ago
>Anyway, have you seem Gattaca? It shows how this can become dystopian very quickly. The main problem in Gattaca wasn't that some people were genetically superior, it was that they were marked as superior and others were discriminated against.
- midoridensha 4y ago
  I think another way of looking at it is that it showed that people who were handicapped by their parents' poor decisions had a harder time in life. For a modern-day parallel, look at parents who won't allow their kids to get vaccinated, and those unfortunate kids end up with diseases like measles or polio.
  - AussieWog93 4y ago
    They had the whole passport system with "valids" and "invalids", and Vincent eventually achieved his goal. I don't think what your saying was the main point of the show.
    - midoridensha 4y ago
      No, I'm just presenting an alternate point of view, that of the people in the movie who supported the system in place. However, one objective fault I see in the movie (from what I remember, it's been many years) is that their "valids/invalids" system assumes that non-GE people are automatically inferior, which may not be the case (and also depends on the task/role). Even today, some people obviously won the "genetic lottery" (like Michael Phelps, who's obviously genetically optimized for swimming compared to most humans, though this doesn't make him good at other things), while others clearly lost.
      - AussieWog93 4y ago
        No, you're right. Dumb old me was looking for an argument when you were trying to simply share your perspective.

cm2187 4y ago

I have seen Gattaca (a while ago). But if anything it illustrates the point of view of the guy who has to live with a flawed genome (though in the movie a minor imperfection). Isn't it the point of view of the kid who has to live with his below average genome today?

hgsgm 4y ago
And then the guy who had an accident gets his life ruined because only the dominant subjective "perfection" is tolerated.
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- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  It wasn't an accident. Thus the marketing line for Gattaca: "There is no gene for the human spirit.".

chordalkeyboard 4y ago

> It's incredibly rare for someone to be "perfect" genetically speaking its actually impossible because the only objective measure of gene quality is the performance of the organism and the performance of the organism depends on the environment.

AussieWog93 4y ago

>Anyway, have you seem Gattaca? It shows how this can become dystopian very quickly. The main problem in Gattaca wasn't that some people were genetically superior, it was that they were marked as superior and others were discriminated against.

midoridensha 4y ago
I think another way of looking at it is that it showed that people who were handicapped by their parents' poor decisions had a harder time in life. For a modern-day parallel, look at parents who won't allow their kids to get vaccinated, and those unfortunate kids end up with diseases like measles or polio.
- AussieWog93 4y ago
  They had the whole passport system with "valids" and "invalids", and Vincent eventually achieved his goal. I don't think what your saying was the main point of the show.
  - midoridensha 4y ago
    No, I'm just presenting an alternate point of view, that of the people in the movie who supported the system in place. However, one objective fault I see in the movie (from what I remember, it's been many years) is that their "valids/invalids" system assumes that non-GE people are automatically inferior, which may not be the case (and also depends on the task/role). Even today, some people obviously won the "genetic lottery" (like Michael Phelps, who's obviously genetically optimized for swimming compared to most humans, though this doesn't make him good at other things), while others clearly lost.
    - AussieWog93 4y ago
      No, you're right. Dumb old me was looking for an argument when you were trying to simply share your perspective.