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If you’re not just a code monkey than those chats are great for coming up with new ideas and fleshing them out over time. But hey you can also just be a code mo

by joxel 4y ago

If you’re not just a code monkey than those chats are great for coming up with new ideas and fleshing them out over time. But hey you can also just be a code monkey that completes projects assigned to them. To each their own I guess.

giantg2 4y ago
Yes, and people can be assholes if they want. Maybe what you describe works at some places or for specific people. Many companies will ignore your ideas. Your title is code monkey and that's all you do - shut up and listen to us important people. Some managers are very threatened by their subordinates, or are unimaginative. The business side generally wants what they want. God forbid you suggest some new approach.
- joxel 4y ago
  Makes sense. I'd just be trying to get out of a job like that, and don't see how that's desirable at all. You seem to think its the better way though.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    I never said it was the better way. It's simply reality, at least for most jobs (larger non-tech companies).
    - joxel 4y ago
      I hope you find a better job man!
      - giantg2 4y ago
        Thanks, but I won't. I'm stuck and I suck. Just have to wait it out another 19 or so years.
- The_Colonel 4y ago
  I think you're missing the point, this is not about the split between management and engineering. Code monkey is here somebody who accepts assignment and produces code, without having a lot of understanding for the larger whole. And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work. But the organizations don't want to have code monkeys (typically), because to produce value, people can't just churn out code to complete assignments, they need to also understand the context, be able to identify made up problems, be able to design the most minimal solution covering the business needs etc. That requires understanding, certain alignment, communication.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    They might say that they don't want code monkeys, but their actions say otherwise. That's my experience anyways.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    I don't see anyone arguing that communication isn't a critical part of working. > And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work. But all the things you've listed in the following paragraph are totally communications that relate directly to one's work. What is the case that unrelated communications are also essential?
whynaut 4y ago
My career has advanced just fine over Slack and Zoom.

by joxel 4y ago

giantg2 4y ago

Yes, and people can be assholes if they want. Maybe what you describe works at some places or for specific people. Many companies will ignore your ideas. Your title is code monkey and that's all you do - shut up and listen to us important people. Some managers are very threatened by their subordinates, or are unimaginative. The business side generally wants what they want. God forbid you suggest some new approach.

joxel 4y ago
Makes sense. I'd just be trying to get out of a job like that, and don't see how that's desirable at all. You seem to think its the better way though.
- giantg2 4y ago
  I never said it was the better way. It's simply reality, at least for most jobs (larger non-tech companies).
  - joxel 4y ago
    I hope you find a better job man!
    - giantg2 4y ago
      Thanks, but I won't. I'm stuck and I suck. Just have to wait it out another 19 or so years.
The_Colonel 4y ago
I think you're missing the point, this is not about the split between management and engineering. Code monkey is here somebody who accepts assignment and produces code, without having a lot of understanding for the larger whole. And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work. But the organizations don't want to have code monkeys (typically), because to produce value, people can't just churn out code to complete assignments, they need to also understand the context, be able to identify made up problems, be able to design the most minimal solution covering the business needs etc. That requires understanding, certain alignment, communication.
- giantg2 4y ago
  They might say that they don't want code monkeys, but their actions say otherwise. That's my experience anyways.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  I don't see anyone arguing that communication isn't a critical part of working. > And that's mostly what you get with this attitude that doesn't value any meetings / communication which doesn't relate directly to one's work. But all the things you've listed in the following paragraph are totally communications that relate directly to one's work. What is the case that unrelated communications are also essential?

whynaut 4y ago

My career has advanced just fine over Slack and Zoom.