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1. Syntax, verbosity, suggested coding conventions feel like sandpaper on the elbows 2. Visual Studio product slow & clunky to drive, makes me want to cry, esp

1. Syntax, verbosity, suggested coding conventions feel like sandpaper on the elbows 2. Visual Studio product slow & clunky to drive, makes me want to cry, esp when VSCode so good. SO GOOD. 3. WPF (never again, ever, not once, ever never fucking ever) 4. NuGet sucks shit through a crazy straw. Hosting your own private packages is basically sadism with a whip hiding behind a door marked “peace&quiet”. 5. Online documentation & community support is consistently SEO’d to be a bunch of articles generated out of India with immature/ridiculous CSS choices. This was circa 2017. Aside from that, it’s a great language.

bilekas 4y ago
So let me try just address at a high level some answers. 1. I don't see this as an "issue" more a taste. You're not forced into a way, but the compiler has a preference. Usually it's the path of least resistance. 2. You can use whatever IDE you like , actually I'm proud to say I use vim exclusively and while i agree vs is heavy and strange. You're not tied to it. 3. Gaming engine will need something. If you don't like this one.. you should see some others, they're not far off. I agree, it could be improved but nothing to do with the language as a whole. 4. Why? I host my own very easily. Company I work for hosts quite a significant amount all fed from build pipelines. So you don't like it.. feel free to share experiences.. love to hear. 5. I don't know what to say about that in relation to the language. Some of the best articles I've learned from have been indian. I don't know why it matters where there from to be fair. Infact my time in a company suit purchased from Microsoft was exclusively supported extremely well by the previous engineers who were primarily indian. So I don't buy the stereotype. Aside from that it's a great language so you should have nothing else? Nothing about it's garbage collection, state management, compile state issues. Just general nonsense?
- raydiatian 4y ago
  Nonsense? You asked me what my reasons were for disliking C# (circa 2017, remember I said it’s been awhile, so these are the impressions I left with), and then when I gave my reasons, as you requested, you changed your tune and said “well, those are all personal preferences.” Yeah, dunno if you noticed but, a lot of the time things boil down to developer preference. For example, I’ve proposed to teams before that we write new necessary services in different languages than the vogue one for the team, for performance purposes. The (arguably reasonable, despite being displeasing) answer given was “no, we’re a JavaScript shop, it’s our preference.” Software dev is social as much as it is technical. So, all things considered, if a language has the typical feature set of garbage collection, FCF/FP patterns, some flavor of OO, a framework for interacting with the OS for things like threading and file IO and networking, a package manager and an ecosystem, is maybe even holding hands with LLVM, the average enterprise CRUD SaaS software developer (me in 2017) isn’t going to need to make the investment to implement the same code multiple times and benchmark to make sure they’ve picked the most technically optimal system. It’s going to boil down to personal preference, or indirectly the personal preference of available engineers, or there legacy of code left behind by other engineers, and I don’t really care that you don’t think my personal preferences are valid.

bilekas 4y ago

So let me try just address at a high level some answers. 1. I don't see this as an "issue" more a taste. You're not forced into a way, but the compiler has a preference. Usually it's the path of least resistance. 2. You can use whatever IDE you like , actually I'm proud to say I use vim exclusively and while i agree vs is heavy and strange. You're not tied to it. 3. Gaming engine will need something. If you don't like this one.. you should see some others, they're not far off. I agree, it could be improved but nothing to do with the language as a whole. 4. Why? I host my own very easily. Company I work for hosts quite a significant amount all fed from build pipelines. So you don't like it.. feel free to share experiences.. love to hear. 5. I don't know what to say about that in relation to the language. Some of the best articles I've learned from have been indian. I don't know why it matters where there from to be fair. Infact my time in a company suit purchased from Microsoft was exclusively supported extremely well by the previous engineers who were primarily indian. So I don't buy the stereotype. Aside from that it's a great language so you should have nothing else? Nothing about it's garbage collection, state management, compile state issues. Just general nonsense?

raydiatian 4y ago
Nonsense? You asked me what my reasons were for disliking C# (circa 2017, remember I said it’s been awhile, so these are the impressions I left with), and then when I gave my reasons, as you requested, you changed your tune and said “well, those are all personal preferences.” Yeah, dunno if you noticed but, a lot of the time things boil down to developer preference. For example, I’ve proposed to teams before that we write new necessary services in different languages than the vogue one for the team, for performance purposes. The (arguably reasonable, despite being displeasing) answer given was “no, we’re a JavaScript shop, it’s our preference.” Software dev is social as much as it is technical. So, all things considered, if a language has the typical feature set of garbage collection, FCF/FP patterns, some flavor of OO, a framework for interacting with the OS for things like threading and file IO and networking, a package manager and an ecosystem, is maybe even holding hands with LLVM, the average enterprise CRUD SaaS software developer (me in 2017) isn’t going to need to make the investment to implement the same code multiple times and benchmark to make sure they’ve picked the most technically optimal system. It’s going to boil down to personal preference, or indirectly the personal preference of available engineers, or there legacy of code left behind by other engineers, and I don’t really care that you don’t think my personal preferences are valid.