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What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible
by marmetio 4y ago
What do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.
- likeabbas 4y agoAt least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft showing advanced flight performance characteristics. I want people to understand that this phenomenon is real, and it’s happening constantly. So much to the point that it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk.
- marmetio 4y agoWe had AATIP and now we have UAPTF. They do stuff and brief Congress about it. Why is that not good enough?
- likeabbas 4y agoUAPTF is now AARO. But it’s not enough for congress to be briefed. If what we’re seeing is a better understanding of physics, than this would affect everyone’s lives
- marmetio 4y agoThen maybe they can mitigate the risk without you knowing about it.
- likeabbas 4y agoWhat is that supposed to mean? This is about gaining a further understanding of reality; the universe
- marmetio 4y ago> it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk
- likeabbas 4y agoI didn’t forget. This issue could be both a security risk for our military members, and also an exciting venture for science.
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- marmetio 4y agoIf it was just a science thing or they didn't care about the security risk, I don't see why they'd keep forming new organizations that are increasingly secretive.
- likeabbas 4y agoBecause it's not just a science thing. It's a potential threat. Threat is defined as capability x intent. We are seeing these things with insane capabilities, but not really any intent (other than maybe observing our technology).
- marmetio 4y agoWe have AARO for addressing the threat. Why is that not good enough?
- JKCalhoun 4y agoI'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposition. And, again, I suspect the military would be fully engaged in understanding the issue. Doubly so. I guess I also believe that things leak. There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. It sounds as though you are certain that it is military in nature so no need to speculate as to whether it is extraterrestrial in nature.
- stevenhuang 4y agoIf you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin.
- willis936 4y agoThree videos is not a preponderance of data. The number of photos taken in the past day exceeds the number of photos taken in the past year exceeds the number of photos taken in the 20th century. We have cameras in space, we have cameras everywhere we have people, so then where is the expected increase in observations? UFO sightings have been relatively steady, with peaks and valleys as the zeitgeist ebbs and flows. If we don't assume UFO presence as constant (ie it might go down when we have more observing capabilities) then there's little information to be learned. At some point it turns into metaphysics. Case studies are great, but I have not seen convincing, properly skeptical analyses. As they say: it's never aliens. People, unfortunately, are typically willing to see what they want to see.
- mach1ne 4y agoIf the events happen mainly at altitudes, smartphones have a hard time capturing them. There’s also the argument that since these would be super-intelligent beings, they might aim for a level of exposure that they’re confident won’t make the grand public believe in their existence.
- guhidalg 4y agoLOL! What? Aliens are worried about being exposed? Why? Did you ask them? Answer: not aliens, just a big PsyOps to give the military more funding.
- krapp 4y ago>There’s also the argument that since these would be super-intelligent beings, they might aim for a level of exposure that they’re confident won’t make the grand public believe in their existence. The public by and large, more or less, already believes in their existence. There are actual religions built around aliens, this has been been a part of pop culture since the 1940s. If they're trying to obey something like the Prime Directive and prevent cultural contamination then they seem to be doing a terrible job. Picard would be ashamed.
- willis936 4y ago
- throwbmw 4y agoMany of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.
- marmetio 4y agoMany of the characteristics of Qui-Gon Jinn are consistent with midi-chloreans as described in Star Wars teachings. Initially described in The Phantom Menace and further elaborated in the Expanded Universe and then by various Jedi masters. Jedi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.
- harimau777 4y agoI'm not that familiar with the folklore around Jinn. Do the similarities go beyond those you could draw for other legendary creatures like ghosts or angels?
- edgyquant 4y agoJinn are angels (or angels are Jinn) according to Islam.