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> There’s a lot of collaboration and spontaneous connection that happens in hallways and kitchenettes. I’ve literally never seen this. I’ve seen people sit aro
by thewebcount 4y ago
> There’s a lot of collaboration and spontaneous connection that happens in hallways and kitchenettes.
I’ve literally never seen this. I’ve seen people sit around and gossip about coworkers or talk about the latest TV shows or movies or sports, though. (And nothing wrong with that. We can’t think about work for 8 hours straight.)
> That’s the sort of thing that isn’t immediately obvious, but becomes more noticeable as time goes on. The first months of the pandemic people were able to coast on their existing connections, but it becomes harder years on
That’s the exact opposite of my experience. The first few months were awkward because it was slightly new and assumptions were made that we’d be back in the office in a few weeks. But as time went on, everyone became much more productive. But that’s just my office, not everyone else’s.
> Finally, everyone being remote is really bad for younger/newer employees who completely miss out on networking, mentorship, company culture, etc.
That’s total speculation. When I was first hired out of college, I had 1 colleague I was kind of close with, but rarely interacted with outside of work. The majority of my friends were people I met in real life around town.
> if you do a good job arranging your life (as most software engineers absolutely have the means to do) you can make a commute a quite pleasant part of your day and create a healthy separation between your work and your life.
Or you can just turn off your work computer and do something else to create that space, like hang with your family or friends.
- sseagull 4y ago>> Finally, everyone being remote is really bad for younger/newer employees who completely miss out on networking, mentorship, company culture, etc. > That’s total speculation. When I was first hired out of college, I had 1 colleague I was kind of close with, but rarely interacted with outside of work. The majority of my friends were people I met in real life around town. These are not the same thing, although you aren’t the only one in this (frankly depressing) thread making this mistake. You don’t have to be completely best buds with your mentor, including outside of work. Spontaneous discussions and networking don’t work as well online because it requires more intent to talk to the other person. That spontaneous networking is more important for junior rather than senior people. Being “in the kitchen” is a sign someone is probably not really working on something at that moment, and therefore may be open to conversation about something other than work. That signal is almost always missing online, and therefore doesn’t happen.
- prpl 4y agoI don’t think the “bad for younger/junior people” thing is speculation. My team had an intern who was toiling away at something for two+ weeks that I resolved for him in 10 minutes the one day I went to the office for that month. It was slightly mentioned in stand ups and even meetings, but remote work doesn’t mean less meetings and frankly people (myself included) have even more divided attention during remote meetings because it’s easier to multitask and tune out things that aren’t immediately relevant to your work. That happened a bit before, but it happens much more often in the remote era. I think remote is better for personal focus, but at a small cost to team focus.
- projectazorian 4y agoSounds like a management failure, why wasn’t anyone checking in with the intern and diving deep to see what the problem was? Did the intern have an assigned mentor? Where were they?