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Do you make the CEO responsible even though she probably had no idea that this was going on? You send the CEO to prison because they're responsible for what ha

Do you make the CEO responsible even though she probably had no idea that this was going on? You send the CEO to prison because they're responsible for what happens under them. CEOs always say they get paid so much because they're the ones bearing ultimate responsibility, so off to jail you go.

delusional 4y ago
The first person who went to prison for the VW emissions scandal was the engineer.
- abduhl 4y ago
  As it should be. The hands that physically commit the crime (or the code) are usually the dirtiest.
  - snozolli 4y ago
    Ah, yes, giving management that sweet plausible deniability. Just create an impossible demand on your workers and then act surprised when they employ unethical practices to meet those demands. Just like Wells Fargo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_sc...
    - abduhl 4y ago
      That isn’t what I said. I said that the person who commits the crime should be the first one to go to jail. That implies others should follow.
      - justinclift 4y ago
        Often times, the crime that's committed is because the boss told them to do it, then threatened the engineer when they initially said No.
        abduhl 4y ago
        Yes well that’s how a lot of crime happens. We don’t avoid prosecuting a triggerman, carjacker, or bank robber just because they got the order and were threatened for not complying. Even the Eichmanns that were just following orders went to Nuremberg.
        diordiderot 4y ago
        > We don’t avoid prosecuting a triggerman, carjacker, or bank robber Well we do give them massively commuted sentences for cooperating
        abduhl 4y ago
        But we still require them to cooperate and take responsibility instead of what most software engineers try to do which is blame management (like the prior poster I was replying to).
moistly 4y ago
The fish rots from the head down.
olalonde 4y ago
That's completely unreasonable. The probability of any Fortune 500 CEO going to prison would basically be 100%. Should the US president go to prison whenever a government employee commits a crime as well?
- snozolli 4y ago
  The President isn't the CEO of America, Inc., and American government isn't a monolithic organization. However, yes, if sufficiently illegal activities were going on within the President's cabinet, then yes, send the President to prison. As for any Fortune 500 CEO going to prison, well, that risk would certainly incentivize the pursuit of good behavior from the top down, wouldn't it?
  - AbrahamParangi 4y ago
    At some point it just makes the entire system untenable. Do you think, in such a world, you would ever hire anyone that you didn’t trust with your life? In fact, you probably wouldn’t even hire anyone that wasn’t related to you.

delusional 4y ago

The first person who went to prison for the VW emissions scandal was the engineer.

abduhl 4y ago
As it should be. The hands that physically commit the crime (or the code) are usually the dirtiest.
- snozolli 4y ago
  Ah, yes, giving management that sweet plausible deniability. Just create an impossible demand on your workers and then act surprised when they employ unethical practices to meet those demands. Just like Wells Fargo. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_scandal https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wells_Fargo_cross-selling_sc...
  - abduhl 4y ago
    That isn’t what I said. I said that the person who commits the crime should be the first one to go to jail. That implies others should follow.
    - justinclift 4y ago
      Often times, the crime that's committed is because the boss told them to do it, then threatened the engineer when they initially said No.
      - abduhl 4y ago
        Yes well that’s how a lot of crime happens. We don’t avoid prosecuting a triggerman, carjacker, or bank robber just because they got the order and were threatened for not complying. Even the Eichmanns that were just following orders went to Nuremberg.
        diordiderot 4y ago
        > We don’t avoid prosecuting a triggerman, carjacker, or bank robber Well we do give them massively commuted sentences for cooperating
        abduhl 4y ago
        But we still require them to cooperate and take responsibility instead of what most software engineers try to do which is blame management (like the prior poster I was replying to).

moistly 4y ago

The fish rots from the head down.

olalonde 4y ago

That's completely unreasonable. The probability of any Fortune 500 CEO going to prison would basically be 100%. Should the US president go to prison whenever a government employee commits a crime as well?

snozolli 4y ago
The President isn't the CEO of America, Inc., and American government isn't a monolithic organization. However, yes, if sufficiently illegal activities were going on within the President's cabinet, then yes, send the President to prison. As for any Fortune 500 CEO going to prison, well, that risk would certainly incentivize the pursuit of good behavior from the top down, wouldn't it?
- AbrahamParangi 4y ago
  At some point it just makes the entire system untenable. Do you think, in such a world, you would ever hire anyone that you didn’t trust with your life? In fact, you probably wouldn’t even hire anyone that wasn’t related to you.