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I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics t
by likeabbas 4y ago
I really wish people would take a look at the extensive analysis some scientists have done to show the 3 navy videos of UAP are showing flight characteristics that defy our laws of physics.
This guy on Twitter has done a fantastic job to show the GIMBAL object performed what we can only describe as a “vertical u-turn” https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=20&t=6CQVRL3j_NB6IrfBdLwDQg https://twitter.com/the_cholla/status/1504855791060148224?s=...
This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph https://www.explorescu.org/post/2004-uss-nimitz-strike-navy-group-incident-report https://www.explorescu.org/post/2004-uss-nimitz-strike-navy-...
Here is a paper from the National Aeronautical Observatory in Ukraine that tracked UAP via their two telescopes in different cities going Mach 15, stopping, and changing directions instantaneously https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.17085.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/2211.17085.pdf
- marmetio 4y agoWhat do you want people to get out of those analyses? They quantify the incredible observations, but they don't explain how those observations could be possible, nor rule out other explanations.
- likeabbas 4y agoAt least in terms of the 3 navy video, I would argue that the data purports, with high confidence, that the craft did exhibit flight performance characteristics that we cannot explain with modern technology or physics. And these are just the three videos that got released. Many people with security clearances have come forward and said the AATIP database has hundreds videos (with the classified sensor data) of craft showing advanced flight performance characteristics. I want people to understand that this phenomenon is real, and it’s happening constantly. So much to the point that it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk.
- marmetio 4y agoWe had AATIP and now we have UAPTF. They do stuff and brief Congress about it. Why is that not good enough?
- likeabbas 4y agoUAPTF is now AARO. But it’s not enough for congress to be briefed. If what we’re seeing is a better understanding of physics, than this would affect everyone’s lives
- marmetio 4y agoThen maybe they can mitigate the risk without you knowing about it.
- likeabbas 4y agoWhat is that supposed to mean? This is about gaining a further understanding of reality; the universe
- marmetio 4y ago> it’s affecting military training operations and putting our fighter jet pilots at risk
- likeabbas 4y agoI didn’t forget. This issue could be both a security risk for our military members, and also an exciting venture for science.
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- marmetio 4y agoIf it was just a science thing or they didn't care about the security risk, I don't see why they'd keep forming new organizations that are increasingly secretive.
- JKCalhoun 4y agoI'm skeptical and so lean pragmatic on the issue. Fighter pilots at risk? If the military believed that they would already be fully engaged in solving the problem. In which case there is little for me or any other civilian to do. And you say fighter pilots at risk but, and this will sound callous, an actual incident that caused a loss of aircraft would be more compelling. It does away with the may be at risk proposition. And, again, I suspect the military would be fully engaged in understanding the issue. Doubly so. I guess I also believe that things leak. There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. It sounds as though you are certain that it is military in nature so no need to speculate as to whether it is extraterrestrial in nature.
- stevenhuang 4y agoIf you want to understand the stigma of reporting UAPs as a military pilot, see Ryan Graves interview with Lex Fridman: https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y https://youtu.be/qLDp-aYnR1Y > There isn't going to be a secret program that is so far advanced that it counters known physical laws. I think you've misread this part--parent is not saying these are ours, not at all. We're all in agreement that if what we're seeing is real, these would be non-human in origin.
- willis936 4y agoThree videos is not a preponderance of data. The number of photos taken in the past day exceeds the number of photos taken in the past year exceeds the number of photos taken in the 20th century. We have cameras in space, we have cameras everywhere we have people, so then where is the expected increase in observations? UFO sightings have been relatively steady, with peaks and valleys as the zeitgeist ebbs and flows. If we don't assume UFO presence as constant (ie it might go down when we have more observing capabilities) then there's little information to be learned. At some point it turns into metaphysics. Case studies are great, but I have not seen convincing, properly skeptical analyses. As they say: it's never aliens. People, unfortunately, are typically willing to see what they want to see.
- mach1ne 4y agoIf the events happen mainly at altitudes, smartphones have a hard time capturing them. There’s also the argument that since these would be super-intelligent beings, they might aim for a level of exposure that they’re confident won’t make the grand public believe in their existence.
- guhidalg 4y agoLOL! What? Aliens are worried about being exposed? Why? Did you ask them? Answer: not aliens, just a big PsyOps to give the military more funding.
- krapp 4y ago>There’s also the argument that since these would be super-intelligent beings, they might aim for a level of exposure that they’re confident won’t make the grand public believe in their existence. The public by and large, more or less, already believes in their existence. There are actual religions built around aliens, this has been been a part of pop culture since the 1940s. If they're trying to obey something like the Prime Directive and prevent cultural contamination then they seem to be doing a terrible job. Picard would be ashamed.
- willis936 4y ago
- throwbmw 4y agoMany of the characteristics of these beings are consistent with Jinns as described in Islamic teachings. Initially described in Quran and further elaborated in Hadith and then by various Sufi masters. Sufi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.
- marmetio 4y agoMany of the characteristics of Qui-Gon Jinn are consistent with midi-chloreans as described in Star Wars teachings. Initially described in The Phantom Menace and further elaborated in the Expanded Universe and then by various Jedi masters. Jedi masters engagement with these creatures was through intense meditation. And according to their estimates there may be more than 5 billion of them.
- harimau777 4y agoI'm not that familiar with the folklore around Jinn. Do the similarities go beyond those you could draw for other legendary creatures like ghosts or angels?
- edgyquant 4y agoJinn are angels (or angels are Jinn) according to Islam.
- mitthrowaway2 4y agoThis seems like strong evidence that the "tic tac" is not a flying object per se, but rather something like the focal point of a high-E-field laser? (Or a crossing point between two such beams?) If the object in question is not a physical object so much as a light show, it could undergo all sorts of impossible manouevres including instantaneous acceleration and even the appearance of exceeding the speed of light.
- swagasaurus-rex 4y agoSeen through instrumentation, aberrations or artefacts from the sensors, or even active jamming could explain the instantaneous acceleration
- mitthrowaway2 4y agoThat's true, but "abberations or artefacts" are more of a low-effort non-explanation than an explanation, and unlikely to satisfy anyone who isn't already skeptical. Active jamming is... the kind of role that a high-intensity two-photon laser would be being tested for.
- JKCalhoun 4y agoWhat would a "high-intensity two-photon laser" be? A two-photon X-ray laser?
- traverseda 4y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma https://www.google.com/search?q=tangible+holographic+plasma
- mitthrowaway2 4y agoAh, I don't mean that the laser outputs only two photons, but that it (might) be designed around 2-photon interactions, so if you have two very-high-intensity IR lasers and the beams meet at a point in space, that crossing point could locally ionize the air as though it consisted of a beam of photons with higher energy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonlinear_optics
- mrtksn 4y ago> This paper shows the tic tac video exhibited instantaneous acceleration to over 20,000 mph Would't it mean that the footage doesn't actually show real objects then? You see a Mona Lisa on the wall in your friends house, before you assume that your friend has the original or that Leonardo Da Vinci painted two of those and this is the other one you will need to go through many many other scenarios because you know a thing or two about the painting and your friend. You don't just throw away all your constructs about the world on the first observed anomaly.
- likeabbas 4y agoNobody is throwing away all of the constructs of what we know. This may turn out to be sensor malfunction. But the DoD has over 300 events of unidentified objects that exhibit interesting flight characteristics. At the very least we should not be ignoring this data, but studying it deeply to figure out what it is. Either it’s a foreign adversary with advanced technology, an adversary that is spoofing our sensor systems, or it’s something else. Whatever it is, We need to find out
- mrtksn 4y agoOf course it's interesting and worth investigating but there is underlining suggestion, dog whistle if you wish, that these are records of extraterrestrial activity or physics beyond our understanding. It's a new age mysticism.
- j0057 4y agoThere are plenty of explanations for these videos that don't involve alien species traveling multiple light years to troll American air force pilots, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGzJ9dx3n4o.
- likeabbas 4y agoyoutubers can hand waive off a few grainy videos. You can’t waive off corroborating classified data from radar, sonar, satellites, and military pilot testimony.
- m3kw9 4y agoAll you see here is a video that someone gave you with no other angles and believable corroboration. How does one go and declare this is it, we have tech from outer space here. What you need are clear photos/videos to even start a conversation