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What would you say is the most credible incident that everyone should take seriously?

runjake 4y ago
The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.
- jseliger 4y ago
  The original appears to have been deleted, but you may be referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encounterexposure_while_on_board_an https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encount...
  - belter 4y ago
    It starts by saying..."...I am relaying information and supporting circumstances, I did not see a UFO personally. However, it is an interesting story."
    - yazantapuz 4y ago
      This one? https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encounterexposure_while_on_board_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encount...
- marcusverus 4y ago
  Check out Joe Rogan episode 1361 with Commander David Fravor (who witnessed the UFO first-hand). They show the footage and Cmdr. Fravor talks through it around the 24 minute mark. Pretty fascinating stuff. https://open.spotify.com/episode/16If5PVe6ouxeDwNbtu0iC?si=8389a0d111654f43 https://open.spotify.com/episode/16If5PVe6ouxeDwNbtu0iC?si=8...
- jml7c5 4y ago
  Weren't there only four witnesses? The pilots were the only ones who saw anything with their own eyes. And there's been no release of sensor data or video, so it's hard to judge its quality. (The 'FLIR1' video was taken later, by different pilots who did not see their object visually, and simply shows a distant hot object slowly moving left, with no inexplicable manoeuvers.) That the ship radar was purportedly bouncing between maximum altitude and reasonable altitude suggests a software or hardware issue, or electronic interference.
- godelski 4y ago
  > The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). The Tic Tac UFO? That's probably one of the best explained events (debunked). Short answer is that there was sense misreading and a gimbal lock. Some people even simulated it[0]. I wouldn't call this an elaborate hoax, but an optical illusion and an event that took some expertise to understand. Expertise that a pilot wouldn't have. I should add that finding that link was nontrivial. Faster through Google but searching through YouTube just came up with UFO videos and no debunking. This is probably part of the problem. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs
  - nprateem 4y ago
    And how does a gimbal lock simultaneously show up on multiple sensor systems across warships?
    - ricardobeat 4y ago
      Your retort is phrased poorly, but I don’t understand the downvotes here - the footage from this episode was made by fighter jets who were dispatched to investigate a radar signal, and the pilot said they had visual contact. That’s three distinct records and/or a whole lot of marines fucking with us.
      - ddalex 4y ago
        I mean there is no denial that SOMETHING was out there. The debunking refers to the performance of the target which is being shown to be safely within the capabilities of contemporary human technology and not requiring "aliens" or "unknown technology" to achieve.
        nprateem 4y ago
        This is the guy who headed up the AATIP (UAP) task force for the Pentagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY He lists some pretty amazing capabilities around 2:10.
- ActorNightly 4y ago
  The issue with all these reports is that there is a distinct lack of detail surrounding the sighting. At most its visual reports and very blurry IR footage. Zero mention of anything else. Lets take an example of the Tic Tac from the incident, that was supposedly moving very fast. If it had a physical presence, ie could interact with the world, it would seem very likely that pilots would describe the resultant shockwave. Depending on the possibilities of the propulsion system, its highly likely that you would get EM interference, possibly even some physical disturbance if the craft came close to the observing plane. If it didn't have a physical presence, like it was folding space or something and traveling in a bubble, then it seems very, very strange that an advanced civilization can fold space to effectively travel without any impact on the world, but let the EM radiation that is light/heat leak out. You would think they could just be fully invisible.
  - jliptzin 4y ago
    Maybe they are normally fully invisible, but even alien spaceships can have malfunctions every now and then. Perhaps they didn't realize the cloak system was off.
  - casperc 4y ago
    It’s weird, given the premise of seeing something alien, that you would assume properties of their propulsion or which emmissions they are making. Sure, if the thing is some new earth tech or natural phenomena there are plenty of assumptions you can make. But in the face of something else?
    - ActorNightly 4y ago
      The point is that you can make any number of stories about aliens trying to explain the phenomenon, and there would be some that would be way more believable then some object breaking pretty well established known physical laws with the only explanation that "aliens have ADVANCED SCIENCE" For example, Aliens living among us for a while, undetected, and having the ability to place false memories in peoples heads because they mapped out how human brain works down to the neuron level (thanks to their massive compute clusters) is way more believable.

The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). Extremely detailed visual and sensor events. Tons of human witnesses. Tons of activity. There was a detailed Reddit thread on the incident from a Seaman many, many years ago long before news of the Tic Tac came out. I’m on mobile but perhaps someone else can paste the thread URL. Could be an elaborate hoax but that’s one heck of a long con game.

jseliger 4y ago
The original appears to have been deleted, but you may be referring to https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encounterexposure_while_on_board_an https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encount...
- belter 4y ago
  It starts by saying..."...I am relaying information and supporting circumstances, I did not see a UFO personally. However, it is an interesting story."
  - yazantapuz 4y ago
    This one? https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encounterexposure_while_on_board_an/ https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1qyu5i/my_ufo_encount...
marcusverus 4y ago
Check out Joe Rogan episode 1361 with Commander David Fravor (who witnessed the UFO first-hand). They show the footage and Cmdr. Fravor talks through it around the 24 minute mark. Pretty fascinating stuff. https://open.spotify.com/episode/16If5PVe6ouxeDwNbtu0iC?si=8389a0d111654f43 https://open.spotify.com/episode/16If5PVe6ouxeDwNbtu0iC?si=8...
jml7c5 4y ago
Weren't there only four witnesses? The pilots were the only ones who saw anything with their own eyes. And there's been no release of sensor data or video, so it's hard to judge its quality. (The 'FLIR1' video was taken later, by different pilots who did not see their object visually, and simply shows a distant hot object slowly moving left, with no inexplicable manoeuvers.) That the ship radar was purportedly bouncing between maximum altitude and reasonable altitude suggests a software or hardware issue, or electronic interference.
godelski 4y ago
> The Nimitz Incident of 2004(?). The Tic Tac UFO? That's probably one of the best explained events (debunked). Short answer is that there was sense misreading and a gimbal lock. Some people even simulated it[0]. I wouldn't call this an elaborate hoax, but an optical illusion and an event that took some expertise to understand. Expertise that a pilot wouldn't have. I should add that finding that link was nontrivial. Faster through Google but searching through YouTube just came up with UFO videos and no debunking. This is probably part of the problem. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsEjV8DdSbs
- nprateem 4y ago
  And how does a gimbal lock simultaneously show up on multiple sensor systems across warships?
  - ricardobeat 4y ago
    Your retort is phrased poorly, but I don’t understand the downvotes here - the footage from this episode was made by fighter jets who were dispatched to investigate a radar signal, and the pilot said they had visual contact. That’s three distinct records and/or a whole lot of marines fucking with us.
    - ddalex 4y ago
      I mean there is no denial that SOMETHING was out there. The debunking refers to the performance of the target which is being shown to be safely within the capabilities of contemporary human technology and not requiring "aliens" or "unknown technology" to achieve.
      - nprateem 4y ago
        This is the guy who headed up the AATIP (UAP) task force for the Pentagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtMbBPzqHY He lists some pretty amazing capabilities around 2:10.
ActorNightly 4y ago
The issue with all these reports is that there is a distinct lack of detail surrounding the sighting. At most its visual reports and very blurry IR footage. Zero mention of anything else. Lets take an example of the Tic Tac from the incident, that was supposedly moving very fast. If it had a physical presence, ie could interact with the world, it would seem very likely that pilots would describe the resultant shockwave. Depending on the possibilities of the propulsion system, its highly likely that you would get EM interference, possibly even some physical disturbance if the craft came close to the observing plane. If it didn't have a physical presence, like it was folding space or something and traveling in a bubble, then it seems very, very strange that an advanced civilization can fold space to effectively travel without any impact on the world, but let the EM radiation that is light/heat leak out. You would think they could just be fully invisible.
- jliptzin 4y ago
  Maybe they are normally fully invisible, but even alien spaceships can have malfunctions every now and then. Perhaps they didn't realize the cloak system was off.
- casperc 4y ago
  It’s weird, given the premise of seeing something alien, that you would assume properties of their propulsion or which emmissions they are making. Sure, if the thing is some new earth tech or natural phenomena there are plenty of assumptions you can make. But in the face of something else?
  - ActorNightly 4y ago
    The point is that you can make any number of stories about aliens trying to explain the phenomenon, and there would be some that would be way more believable then some object breaking pretty well established known physical laws with the only explanation that "aliens have ADVANCED SCIENCE" For example, Aliens living among us for a while, undetected, and having the ability to place false memories in peoples heads because they mapped out how human brain works down to the neuron level (thanks to their massive compute clusters) is way more believable.