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If you think about it, a boat is basically a bucket.

by blamazon 4y ago

pancrufty 4y ago
Are you saying I should pee into the boat?
- Laaas 4y ago
  A bucket can also be a boat.
selimthegrim 4y ago
Even Noah's ark was a waterproof round wicker basket (coracle). Although good point, I never thought about what they did with all the animal waste.
- blamazon 4y ago
  In modern times, livestock is regularly shipped en masse from places with surplus arable land, like Australia, to places with a dearth of arable land, like Saudi Arabia, although I don't know what happens to the animal waste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_export https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_export Interesting tangent from reading that page, the 'Seagoing Cowboys': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagoing_cowboys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagoing_cowboys
  - Symbiote 4y ago
    I think the animal waste is washed into the sea. Presumably there are sumps on the deck and someone hoses the deck (and animals!) with seawater. > Using the table below, and assuming one million head of cattle a year, 20 kilograms (44 pounds) of excrement per head per day, an average voyage time of 10 days and vessel loading and unloading times of five days, something in the order of 300,000 tons of excrement is pumped into the sea during these voyages each year. A similar calculation for sheep, voyaging more typically for 20 days, would add a further 85,000 tons. > The excrement has a high water content and is considered benign. It is treated like sewage under Marpol Annex IV and doesn’t need to be treated before dumping far from shore. https://maritime-executive.com/features/live-export-following-the-effluent-trail https://maritime-executive.com/features/live-export-followin...
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  An imaginary waterproof round wicker basket, therefore quite light and permeable.
  - selimthegrim 4y ago
    It’s like the semipermeable membrane in all those gas problems from stat mech.
- pryce 4y ago
  People who take the story literally today (largely American evangelicals), are usually also pretty adamant that they should take the dimensions in Genesis 6:15 literally - "The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high"[1] and made of "cypress wood" coated in "pitch". Can you tell me where the "round wicker basket" description came from? [1] NIV Footnote: That is, about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high or about 135 meters long, 23 meters wide and 14 meters high
  - blamazon 4y ago
    I'm not that commenter but it's actually really interesting! There's a Babylonian tablet that predates Genesis by some time and has very similar instructions. A group in India actually built one following the tablet's instructions! https://www.telegraphindia.com/7-days/the-ark-that-finkel-built/cid/1669418 https://www.telegraphindia.com/7-days/the-ark-that-finkel-bu... A key excerpt from above link: > So was there an actual flood of biblical proportions in Babylon? Finkel believes that there was a real fear of flooding and stories of death and destruction that arose from these anxieties. 'The myth of the flood story, to build the boat, is an antidote to this very fear.' I love rational explanations for mythology and it makes so much sense to me that periodic flooding would have been a problem since the dawn of agrarian civilization, and it makes sense that our forebears would have aspired to this idea of having the doomsday raft ready to go when the big one hits.
    - fsckboy 4y ago
      my personal theory based on nothing but it makes sense to me for the time period, is that if there is truth to the story, it was actually referring to saving domesticated farm animals so Noah and fam could start over.
    - mcv 4y ago
      There's a lot of ancient stories about a massive flood in that area with someone building a boat and saving animals, so maybe that's a thing that really happened. But it's most likely a massive river (Eufrates & Tigris?) flood or possibly even the filling of the Black Sea deluge[0], and involved mostly farm animals, not lions and kangaroos. (As a Christian I'm totally comfortable with the idea that some stories in the Bible are just stories and don't have to be literally true.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

If you think about it, a boat is basically a bucket.

pancrufty 4y ago

Are you saying I should pee into the boat?

Laaas 4y ago
A bucket can also be a boat.

selimthegrim 4y ago

Even Noah's ark was a waterproof round wicker basket (coracle). Although good point, I never thought about what they did with all the animal waste.

blamazon 4y ago
In modern times, livestock is regularly shipped en masse from places with surplus arable land, like Australia, to places with a dearth of arable land, like Saudi Arabia, although I don't know what happens to the animal waste. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_export https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_export Interesting tangent from reading that page, the 'Seagoing Cowboys': https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagoing_cowboys https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seagoing_cowboys
- Symbiote 4y ago
  I think the animal waste is washed into the sea. Presumably there are sumps on the deck and someone hoses the deck (and animals!) with seawater. > Using the table below, and assuming one million head of cattle a year, 20 kilograms (44 pounds) of excrement per head per day, an average voyage time of 10 days and vessel loading and unloading times of five days, something in the order of 300,000 tons of excrement is pumped into the sea during these voyages each year. A similar calculation for sheep, voyaging more typically for 20 days, would add a further 85,000 tons. > The excrement has a high water content and is considered benign. It is treated like sewage under Marpol Annex IV and doesn’t need to be treated before dumping far from shore. https://maritime-executive.com/features/live-export-following-the-effluent-trail https://maritime-executive.com/features/live-export-followin...
DonHopkins 4y ago
An imaginary waterproof round wicker basket, therefore quite light and permeable.
- selimthegrim 4y ago
  It’s like the semipermeable membrane in all those gas problems from stat mech.
pryce 4y ago
People who take the story literally today (largely American evangelicals), are usually also pretty adamant that they should take the dimensions in Genesis 6:15 literally - "The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high"[1] and made of "cypress wood" coated in "pitch". Can you tell me where the "round wicker basket" description came from? [1] NIV Footnote: That is, about 450 feet long, 75 feet wide and 45 feet high or about 135 meters long, 23 meters wide and 14 meters high
- blamazon 4y ago
  I'm not that commenter but it's actually really interesting! There's a Babylonian tablet that predates Genesis by some time and has very similar instructions. A group in India actually built one following the tablet's instructions! https://www.telegraphindia.com/7-days/the-ark-that-finkel-built/cid/1669418 https://www.telegraphindia.com/7-days/the-ark-that-finkel-bu... A key excerpt from above link: > So was there an actual flood of biblical proportions in Babylon? Finkel believes that there was a real fear of flooding and stories of death and destruction that arose from these anxieties. 'The myth of the flood story, to build the boat, is an antidote to this very fear.' I love rational explanations for mythology and it makes so much sense to me that periodic flooding would have been a problem since the dawn of agrarian civilization, and it makes sense that our forebears would have aspired to this idea of having the doomsday raft ready to go when the big one hits.
  - fsckboy 4y ago
    my personal theory based on nothing but it makes sense to me for the time period, is that if there is truth to the story, it was actually referring to saving domesticated farm animals so Noah and fam could start over.
  - mcv 4y ago
    There's a lot of ancient stories about a massive flood in that area with someone building a boat and saving animals, so maybe that's a thing that really happened. But it's most likely a massive river (Eufrates & Tigris?) flood or possibly even the filling of the Black Sea deluge[0], and involved mostly farm animals, not lions and kangaroos. (As a Christian I'm totally comfortable with the idea that some stories in the Bible are just stories and don't have to be literally true.) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis