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10 years?? How would they know?

vlovich123 4y ago
I imagine lying on a federal form is going to be a risky move, especially when going to a spy agency that’s going to do background checks. I’d recommend being honest if you’re interested in this line of work.
- kilgnad 4y ago
  This line of work is all about dishonesty. Espionage and spying and dishonesty is the job description. They can't know. Also I would argue people in the NSA are less honest then normal despite the background checks.
  - samdcbu 4y ago
    People with security clearances spill their guts and tell all on their security clearance forms, because not doing so is a felony that the DOJ takes incredibly seriously. People’s most personal and intimate secrets are in those forms. Never, ever lie or knowingly omit information on a security clearance form. If you tell the truth and you are disqualified, it’s extremely unlikely that information will be used against you. The FBI isn’t going to come after you for doing mushrooms. If you lie to the federal government while trying to obtain a security clearance, they will put you in federal prison.
    - lolfullshit 4y ago
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    - nocsi 4y ago
      What kind of person would even want to falsify/lie throughout the clearance process. It's such a long and arduous process and the payoff is basically nothing. If it's actually an illegal trying to get into the system, they'd be better off going into politics where you gain automatic 'need to know' and have no repercussions for lying.
    - sneak 4y ago
      Better yet: omit 100% of the information on the security clearance form and never fill one out.
- mountainb 4y ago
  It is more than a risky move. It can carry up to five years in prison. The statute governing this has been enforced in the past in some relatively unfair ways (getting past job details incorrect on the application).
  - nocsi 4y ago
    The forms are just materials they lean on during your security interviews. They kind of want you to lie about something to give them fodder to yell/break you. You're not going to prison for lying on your SF86. The polygraph hasn't even caught a traitor, they're all tools for breaking people
- thedougd 4y ago
  I've been interviewed by the DOD for friends and coworkers to obtain security clearance. They ask all sorts of questions.
csomar 4y ago
I was surprised when I learned that you need to give your ID if you want to be marijuana in California. The government probably knows if you smoked.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  Every marijuana seller, “legit” or not is breaking numerous federal laws. If the Feds are interested in you, your drug dealer will happily give them whatever they need.
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  Same in Hawaii, at one point they tried to use this as a tool to blanket confiscate guns from people who medicinally consumed the devil's lettuce.
pge 4y ago
If the position requires a Top Secret clearance (as many of them do), the background check is quite extensive. Expect your family, neighbors, former colleagues, college roommates, etc to get knocks on the door from guys in suits that will ask them questions.
- FpUser 4y ago
  Are you serious? You think they'd knock on someone's door and start asking questions? And why would people even agree to talk to them? Especially relatives and friends.
  - necroforest 4y ago
    ...yes. that's exactly what they do.
    - FpUser 4y ago
      Strange. Unless forced I would not discuss my friends / relatives with some weirdos. Not in my job description.
      - eldritch_4ier 4y ago
        Ok, it sounds like you're not working a job relevant to national security? Google/etc doesn't care who you are as long as you can make them profits - bad person, good person, etc. I'm glad to see that at least the government takes seriously the matter of who influences the system with so much power.
        FpUser 4y ago
        >"Ok, it sounds like you're not working a job relevant to national security?" Nope. Never wanted to work in such areas. Prefer normal life. >"...who influences the system with so much power." You mean someone who uses private email server, keeps classified docs in wrong places (how is it even possible), says that it is all Russia's fault that Trump wins etc. etc. Yeah I feel so much safer.
DontchaKnowit 4y ago
Hair tests can go back very far depending on how long your hair is
- hulitu 4y ago
  Damn, anyone knows a hair removal agency ? I i mean all hair. /s
sumeno 4y ago
Security clearances often involve polygraph tests. On top of that they will interview a ton of people you know. So not only do you have to commit a federal crime to cover it up and learn how to fool a polygraph, you also have to convince a bunch of people that know you to commit a federal crime for you.
- sneak 4y ago
  Polygraph tests are inaccurate pseudoscience that do not work.
necroforest 4y ago
Polygraph

I imagine lying on a federal form is going to be a risky move, especially when going to a spy agency that’s going to do background checks. I’d recommend being honest if you’re interested in this line of work.

kilgnad 4y ago
This line of work is all about dishonesty. Espionage and spying and dishonesty is the job description. They can't know. Also I would argue people in the NSA are less honest then normal despite the background checks.
- samdcbu 4y ago
  People with security clearances spill their guts and tell all on their security clearance forms, because not doing so is a felony that the DOJ takes incredibly seriously. People’s most personal and intimate secrets are in those forms. Never, ever lie or knowingly omit information on a security clearance form. If you tell the truth and you are disqualified, it’s extremely unlikely that information will be used against you. The FBI isn’t going to come after you for doing mushrooms. If you lie to the federal government while trying to obtain a security clearance, they will put you in federal prison.
  - lolfullshit 4y ago
    [flagged]
  - nocsi 4y ago
    What kind of person would even want to falsify/lie throughout the clearance process. It's such a long and arduous process and the payoff is basically nothing. If it's actually an illegal trying to get into the system, they'd be better off going into politics where you gain automatic 'need to know' and have no repercussions for lying.
  - sneak 4y ago
    Better yet: omit 100% of the information on the security clearance form and never fill one out.
mountainb 4y ago
It is more than a risky move. It can carry up to five years in prison. The statute governing this has been enforced in the past in some relatively unfair ways (getting past job details incorrect on the application).
- nocsi 4y ago
  The forms are just materials they lean on during your security interviews. They kind of want you to lie about something to give them fodder to yell/break you. You're not going to prison for lying on your SF86. The polygraph hasn't even caught a traitor, they're all tools for breaking people
thedougd 4y ago
I've been interviewed by the DOD for friends and coworkers to obtain security clearance. They ask all sorts of questions.

csomar 4y ago

I was surprised when I learned that you need to give your ID if you want to be marijuana in California. The government probably knows if you smoked.

Spooky23 4y ago
Every marijuana seller, “legit” or not is breaking numerous federal laws. If the Feds are interested in you, your drug dealer will happily give them whatever they need.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
Same in Hawaii, at one point they tried to use this as a tool to blanket confiscate guns from people who medicinally consumed the devil's lettuce.

pge 4y ago

If the position requires a Top Secret clearance (as many of them do), the background check is quite extensive. Expect your family, neighbors, former colleagues, college roommates, etc to get knocks on the door from guys in suits that will ask them questions.

FpUser 4y ago
Are you serious? You think they'd knock on someone's door and start asking questions? And why would people even agree to talk to them? Especially relatives and friends.
- necroforest 4y ago
  ...yes. that's exactly what they do.
  - FpUser 4y ago
    Strange. Unless forced I would not discuss my friends / relatives with some weirdos. Not in my job description.
    - eldritch_4ier 4y ago
      Ok, it sounds like you're not working a job relevant to national security? Google/etc doesn't care who you are as long as you can make them profits - bad person, good person, etc. I'm glad to see that at least the government takes seriously the matter of who influences the system with so much power.
      - FpUser 4y ago
        >"Ok, it sounds like you're not working a job relevant to national security?" Nope. Never wanted to work in such areas. Prefer normal life. >"...who influences the system with so much power." You mean someone who uses private email server, keeps classified docs in wrong places (how is it even possible), says that it is all Russia's fault that Trump wins etc. etc. Yeah I feel so much safer.

DontchaKnowit 4y ago

Hair tests can go back very far depending on how long your hair is

hulitu 4y ago
Damn, anyone knows a hair removal agency ? I i mean all hair. /s

sumeno 4y ago

Security clearances often involve polygraph tests. On top of that they will interview a ton of people you know. So not only do you have to commit a federal crime to cover it up and learn how to fool a polygraph, you also have to convince a bunch of people that know you to commit a federal crime for you.

sneak 4y ago
Polygraph tests are inaccurate pseudoscience that do not work.

necroforest 4y ago

Polygraph