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>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children ar

>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. > - Socrates, 400 B.C. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a diadema and a peneia. > - the youth, 400 B.C. --- >The children now love the internet; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love reddit in place of blog posts. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer use facebook while their uncles still do. They contradict their parents, text before company, gobble up memes on TikTok, twerk, and tyrannize their teachers. > - boomers, 2023 A.D. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a ponytail and a motorbike. > - devnullbrain, 2023 A.D.

inglor_cz 4y ago
I am somewhat worried that this kind of rebuttal may "flush away" even actual pathological developments. Current youth seems to suffer from many more mental disorders (such as depression) than before. Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude. Non-academically-talented young men seem to be less successful than ever before, to the degree that even liberal coastal media stopped making fun of them and started describing the situation as dire and in need of addressing. Such problems may be fake (percepted, but not real), but they can, in fact, be real. We are not doing ourselves or anyone else a favor by invoking glib, thought-terminating clichés about the old eternally grumbling about the young. There must be a middle way between the "get off my lawn" and "this is an ancient trope that only deserves mocking" attitudes.
- ben_w 4y ago
  > Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude This meme feels wildly ironic to me, given I grew up in an environment of Old People Upset That Teenagers These Days Are Having Too Much Sex.
bradleyjg 4y ago
Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand For the times, they are a-changin-
Eisenstein 4y ago
FYI, that is not a Socrates quote. > It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Freeman did not claim that the passage under analysis was a direct quotation of anyone; instead, he was presenting his own summary of the complaints directed against young people in ancient times. * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

inglor_cz 4y ago

I am somewhat worried that this kind of rebuttal may "flush away" even actual pathological developments. Current youth seems to suffer from many more mental disorders (such as depression) than before. Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude. Non-academically-talented young men seem to be less successful than ever before, to the degree that even liberal coastal media stopped making fun of them and started describing the situation as dire and in need of addressing. Such problems may be fake (percepted, but not real), but they can, in fact, be real. We are not doing ourselves or anyone else a favor by invoking glib, thought-terminating clichés about the old eternally grumbling about the young. There must be a middle way between the "get off my lawn" and "this is an ancient trope that only deserves mocking" attitudes.

ben_w 4y ago
> Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude This meme feels wildly ironic to me, given I grew up in an environment of Old People Upset That Teenagers These Days Are Having Too Much Sex.

bradleyjg 4y ago

Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand For the times, they are a-changin-

Eisenstein 4y ago

FYI, that is not a Socrates quote. > It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Freeman did not claim that the passage under analysis was a direct quotation of anyone; instead, he was presenting his own summary of the complaints directed against young people in ancient times. * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/