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Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wi

Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a ponytail and a motorbike. If you find yourself finding smug, try looking at an old Reddit rage comic/4chan greentext/usenet flamewar, depending on your age.

IncRnd 4y ago
There's a lot more to gen z than was on this blog post, but what is there seems like a recipe for creating personality disorders.
- wafflemaker 4y ago
  pls elaborate. The blog post was very informative for me. Learning even more would be nice. If it's good I'll submit it to the blogpost's author as he asked for at the end of the blogpost.
  - yucky 4y ago
    Not using any punctuation and relying on pictograms instead of definable words, and then getting hung up on who (and how many people) respond to a social post, and in what way and with what timing? Holy shit, no wonder they're all so perpetually miserable.
VoodooJuJu 4y ago
>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. > - Socrates, 400 B.C. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a diadema and a peneia. > - the youth, 400 B.C. --- >The children now love the internet; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love reddit in place of blog posts. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer use facebook while their uncles still do. They contradict their parents, text before company, gobble up memes on TikTok, twerk, and tyrannize their teachers. > - boomers, 2023 A.D. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a ponytail and a motorbike. > - devnullbrain, 2023 A.D.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  I am somewhat worried that this kind of rebuttal may "flush away" even actual pathological developments. Current youth seems to suffer from many more mental disorders (such as depression) than before. Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude. Non-academically-talented young men seem to be less successful than ever before, to the degree that even liberal coastal media stopped making fun of them and started describing the situation as dire and in need of addressing. Such problems may be fake (percepted, but not real), but they can, in fact, be real. We are not doing ourselves or anyone else a favor by invoking glib, thought-terminating clichés about the old eternally grumbling about the young. There must be a middle way between the "get off my lawn" and "this is an ancient trope that only deserves mocking" attitudes.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    > Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude This meme feels wildly ironic to me, given I grew up in an environment of Old People Upset That Teenagers These Days Are Having Too Much Sex.
- bradleyjg 4y ago
  Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand For the times, they are a-changin-
- Eisenstein 4y ago
  FYI, that is not a Socrates quote. > It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Freeman did not claim that the passage under analysis was a direct quotation of anyone; instead, he was presenting his own summary of the complaints directed against young people in ancient times. * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/
peoplefromibiza 4y ago
unfortunately every time a new generation starts to create its own identity they age to either throw away the baby with the bathwater or to repeat the same.mistakes of the previous generations. My generation did it too. Social progress is not linear growth but sinusoidal.
- implements 4y ago
  A point well worth making - every generation assumes it’s more progressive than the last, but that’s not always the case.
  - ben_w 4y ago
    More moral, which may be more progressive or more prohibitions depending on why you think your parents were wrong.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      No, not even more moral.
kmbfjr 4y ago
Conversely, don’t expect the previous generations to quit using capitalization and periods. Your point is well taken, and thankfully I have neither a pony tail nor a motorcycle, but I am quite likely to observe 40 years of habit and driving in the guardrails of the language. Or, ya know, don’t read shit into the message that isn’t there.
- 0x008 4y ago
  Like Albus Dumbledore says in Harry Potter: If you are a young person it cannot be expected from you that you understand how old people feel. But if you are an old person and don't understand how young people feel, you are a fool, because you have been young once.

IncRnd 4y ago

There's a lot more to gen z than was on this blog post, but what is there seems like a recipe for creating personality disorders.

wafflemaker 4y ago
pls elaborate. The blog post was very informative for me. Learning even more would be nice. If it's good I'll submit it to the blogpost's author as he asked for at the end of the blogpost.
- yucky 4y ago
  Not using any punctuation and relying on pictograms instead of definable words, and then getting hung up on who (and how many people) respond to a social post, and in what way and with what timing? Holy shit, no wonder they're all so perpetually miserable.

VoodooJuJu 4y ago

>The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. > - Socrates, 400 B.C. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a diadema and a peneia. > - the youth, 400 B.C. --- >The children now love the internet; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love reddit in place of blog posts. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer use facebook while their uncles still do. They contradict their parents, text before company, gobble up memes on TikTok, twerk, and tyrannize their teachers. > - boomers, 2023 A.D. >Every time some new generation starts to create its own identity, some proportion of the previous dominant generation reacts defensively by attacking it with wilful ignorance and disdain. It's a tragic way to age. Worse than a ponytail and a motorbike. > - devnullbrain, 2023 A.D.

inglor_cz 4y ago
I am somewhat worried that this kind of rebuttal may "flush away" even actual pathological developments. Current youth seems to suffer from many more mental disorders (such as depression) than before. Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude. Non-academically-talented young men seem to be less successful than ever before, to the degree that even liberal coastal media stopped making fun of them and started describing the situation as dire and in need of addressing. Such problems may be fake (percepted, but not real), but they can, in fact, be real. We are not doing ourselves or anyone else a favor by invoking glib, thought-terminating clichés about the old eternally grumbling about the young. There must be a middle way between the "get off my lawn" and "this is an ancient trope that only deserves mocking" attitudes.
- ben_w 4y ago
  > Share of people who had sex by their early twenties dropped significantly, which may be a consequence of having less intimacy and more solitude This meme feels wildly ironic to me, given I grew up in an environment of Old People Upset That Teenagers These Days Are Having Too Much Sex.
bradleyjg 4y ago
Come mothers and fathers throughout the land And don't criticize what you can't understand Your sons and your daughters are beyond your command Your old road is rapidly aging Please get out of the new one if you can't lend your hand For the times, they are a-changin-
Eisenstein 4y ago
FYI, that is not a Socrates quote. > It was crafted by a student, Kenneth John Freeman, for his Cambridge dissertation published in 1907. Freeman did not claim that the passage under analysis was a direct quotation of anyone; instead, he was presenting his own summary of the complaints directed against young people in ancient times. * https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/ https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/01/misbehave/

peoplefromibiza 4y ago

unfortunately every time a new generation starts to create its own identity they age to either throw away the baby with the bathwater or to repeat the same.mistakes of the previous generations. My generation did it too. Social progress is not linear growth but sinusoidal.

implements 4y ago
A point well worth making - every generation assumes it’s more progressive than the last, but that’s not always the case.
- ben_w 4y ago
  More moral, which may be more progressive or more prohibitions depending on why you think your parents were wrong.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    No, not even more moral.

kmbfjr 4y ago

Conversely, don’t expect the previous generations to quit using capitalization and periods. Your point is well taken, and thankfully I have neither a pony tail nor a motorcycle, but I am quite likely to observe 40 years of habit and driving in the guardrails of the language. Or, ya know, don’t read shit into the message that isn’t there.

0x008 4y ago
Like Albus Dumbledore says in Harry Potter: If you are a young person it cannot be expected from you that you understand how old people feel. But if you are an old person and don't understand how young people feel, you are a fool, because you have been young once.