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It feels a bit like a Kodak moment. Fore sure google can replicate chatgpt. But there is no business model behind it yet. Bing on the other hand just don't ca

It feels a bit like a Kodak moment. Fore sure google can replicate chatgpt. But there is no business model behind it yet. Bing on the other hand just don't care that much and is willing to integrate it to get more traffic.

Xaiph_Rahci 4y ago
> there is no business model behind it Why can't Google use the user's prompt (and AI's output) to display targeted Ads?
- MichaelRazum 4y ago
  The question is how much worth is it? Looks like a complete different Ads model, compared to google search, with multiple results and the payed ones on top.
- marginalia_nu 4y ago
  They can, but if their competition isn't doing the same, their offering is strictly worse. I'd guess given the amount of self-cannibalization Google has been doing the last few years, the fervor with which they've been sticking ads everywhere even to the clear detriment of utility suggests they're struggling to present black numbers through growth. Having to operate at conversational AI service which is competing with their own main offering, at a loss, to run a competitor out of business is not what they want to do. Not with bearish investors, and especially not given the regulatory scrutiny they're under.
  - visarga 4y ago
    I think the Google era ended in Nov 2022 when chatGPT was launched. They had a good quarter century run. Keyword search on top of ads, spam and disinformation is not a good product anymore, and won't cut it after people's expectations moved up. They can't even faithfully follow a search term, and instead return exactly what you wanted to avoid. Try finding "the shortest time for crossing the English Channel entirely on foot", it will tell you all about swimming, boats, even hovercrafts, ferries, but not about an immigrant trying to walk the tunnel.
    - marginalia_nu 4y ago
      I think keyword search is still actually legitimately useful and a distinct problem from natural language search interfaces, but Google has found itself somewhere in between keyword search and natural language search in a way where they're getting the drawbacks of both and the benefits of neither. When a query fails and gives bad results, it's not clear why it has failed or how to fix it. This is above all very confusing and frustrating. In part I think the problem is the insistence on using the same search box for both modalities of search. This is straight up a poor design choice. It's also worth mentioning that they have an inherent conflict of interest in the business model. Since they sell ads, presenting clean search results with few ads would actually hurt their bottom line. But this is a limitation in their business model and not their tech.
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  - arnvald 4y ago
    Their competition still hasn't found a profitable business model, though. OpenAI started offering paid subscription, but it's unclear how well it's performing and how high their margins are. Google's dominance might have ended, but this is a new market. Various players will try different business models and I'm sure we'll see someone offering an ad-based product
- spaceman_2020 4y ago
  Impressions and clicks would go down drastically. - No 6+ ads on the search results page - No direct traffic being diverted to publishers (which display AdSense ads)
- visarga 4y ago
  People would block those with AdBlock. And if they dare do product placement in the model output, people will react with extreme prejudice - a model trained to fool them into bad decisions, that's what it would be.
akmarinov 4y ago
Ads in the results I guess? Ask ChatGPT to write you an essay and it has a couple of paragraphs of how great Coca-Cola tastes.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >it has a couple of paragraphs of how great Coca-Cola tastes In fairness, once the investors start putting pressure of monetization on these AI chatbots, and ads and product placement starts to creep in AI generated content[1], that would make it easier by people, teachers and evaluators, to detect it, brought to you by Carl's Jr.[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBi4QlY_xr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBi4QlY_xr4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPU_BiT25w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPU_BiT25w
- mensetmanusman 4y ago
  A future where a mission to mars fails because of some comment overflow about Pepsi. Ahaha
- jwie 4y ago
  I hope they do it. It would be fun to trick it into generating highly brand inappropriate product placements.

Xaiph_Rahci 4y ago

> there is no business model behind it Why can't Google use the user's prompt (and AI's output) to display targeted Ads?

MichaelRazum 4y ago
The question is how much worth is it? Looks like a complete different Ads model, compared to google search, with multiple results and the payed ones on top.
marginalia_nu 4y ago
They can, but if their competition isn't doing the same, their offering is strictly worse. I'd guess given the amount of self-cannibalization Google has been doing the last few years, the fervor with which they've been sticking ads everywhere even to the clear detriment of utility suggests they're struggling to present black numbers through growth. Having to operate at conversational AI service which is competing with their own main offering, at a loss, to run a competitor out of business is not what they want to do. Not with bearish investors, and especially not given the regulatory scrutiny they're under.
- visarga 4y ago
  I think the Google era ended in Nov 2022 when chatGPT was launched. They had a good quarter century run. Keyword search on top of ads, spam and disinformation is not a good product anymore, and won't cut it after people's expectations moved up. They can't even faithfully follow a search term, and instead return exactly what you wanted to avoid. Try finding "the shortest time for crossing the English Channel entirely on foot", it will tell you all about swimming, boats, even hovercrafts, ferries, but not about an immigrant trying to walk the tunnel.
  - marginalia_nu 4y ago
    I think keyword search is still actually legitimately useful and a distinct problem from natural language search interfaces, but Google has found itself somewhere in between keyword search and natural language search in a way where they're getting the drawbacks of both and the benefits of neither. When a query fails and gives bad results, it's not clear why it has failed or how to fix it. This is above all very confusing and frustrating. In part I think the problem is the insistence on using the same search box for both modalities of search. This is straight up a poor design choice. It's also worth mentioning that they have an inherent conflict of interest in the business model. Since they sell ads, presenting clean search results with few ads would actually hurt their bottom line. But this is a limitation in their business model and not their tech.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- arnvald 4y ago
  Their competition still hasn't found a profitable business model, though. OpenAI started offering paid subscription, but it's unclear how well it's performing and how high their margins are. Google's dominance might have ended, but this is a new market. Various players will try different business models and I'm sure we'll see someone offering an ad-based product
spaceman_2020 4y ago
Impressions and clicks would go down drastically. - No 6+ ads on the search results page - No direct traffic being diverted to publishers (which display AdSense ads)
visarga 4y ago
People would block those with AdBlock. And if they dare do product placement in the model output, people will react with extreme prejudice - a model trained to fool them into bad decisions, that's what it would be.

akmarinov 4y ago

Ads in the results I guess? Ask ChatGPT to write you an essay and it has a couple of paragraphs of how great Coca-Cola tastes.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>it has a couple of paragraphs of how great Coca-Cola tastes In fairness, once the investors start putting pressure of monetization on these AI chatbots, and ads and product placement starts to creep in AI generated content[1], that would make it easier by people, teachers and evaluators, to detect it, brought to you by Carl's Jr.[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBi4QlY_xr4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBi4QlY_xr4 [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPU_BiT25w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQPU_BiT25w
mensetmanusman 4y ago
A future where a mission to mars fails because of some comment overflow about Pepsi. Ahaha
jwie 4y ago
I hope they do it. It would be fun to trick it into generating highly brand inappropriate product placements.